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Anagh
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Cavan. Schools.
« on: Wednesday 10 August 05 07:39 UTC (UK) »
Hello,
while looking for records available for Cavan and Monaghan on the LDS site I noticed they had some school records. One of them was  the Drumaloor National School Registers from 1872 - 1967. Could someone please tell me what type of school a National School is, as I am not sure on the Irish School system.
Many thanks
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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 August 05 10:15 UTC (UK) »
Pre School or Nursery school = 3yrs - 4yrs getting them ready for school

National school = 4YRS- 12YRS doing a total of 8 yrs

Secondary school = 12YRS-18YRS doing a total of 6yrs

After all this they go on to College

Hope this helps
Anne
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 August 05 23:24 UTC (UK) »
Anne
thankyou very much. I was just a bit baffled by the name National.
Just another question, could any religion go to a National school?
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 August 05 11:41 UTC (UK) »
Ireland was a very catholic country so the schools would have been run by the catholic church so it would have been very rare or unheard of for other religions to be in the Irish school system. Thankfully all that has changed today

Anne
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« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 August 05 03:31 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Anne,I just wanted to double check before I went ordering records and they were for the wrong kind of school.
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 May 07 14:21 UTC (UK) »
The 1852 Directory for Belfast and Province of Ulster ... Cavan shows the following schools in the town ...

Academy, Bridge Street, John Brady, teacher
Royal School ... Rev. William Prior Moore, AM., master
Farnham School, Farnham Street ... Henry Fleming, master; Jane Fleming, mistress
Roman Catholic School, Farnham Street ... Rev. John O'Reilly, Rev. N. Connaty and Patrick Curran ... masters.
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 May 07 17:12 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: giving up for a while on Wednesday 10 August 05 10:15 UTC (UK)
Pre School or Nursery school = 3yrs - 4yrs getting them ready for school

National school = 4YRS- 12YRS doing a total of 8 yrs

Secondary school = 12YRS-18YRS doing a total of 6yrs

Things were a bit different years ago. Children aged usually 4 (although some started at 3) to 14 or so attended National Schools and certainly in some areas they were attended by all religions.
The school registers I have seen all follow the same format- name of child, age (in years or later birthdate given), residence (townland or street if in a town), date of admission, name of previous school, religion, father's occupation.
The registers can be quite good for tracking down people although if the surname is very common in the area it is sometimes difficult to match up siblings.
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 July 07 12:28 UTC (UK) »
Are there any school registers available on line?

Kathleen
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 July 07 13:23 UTC (UK) »
Don't know if any are available online. In Northern Ireland many of them are held at PRONI.
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 04 July 07 13:44 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for responding.  As I'm sure you know, we searchers need to maintain the hope of finding answers.

Regards,   Kathleen
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 July 07 15:36 UTC (UK) »
I'm not sure about the registers of Irish schools being online. If there any are there are very few of them. You'd fare better if your ancestors attended Eton, Rugby or Giggleswick Cheesy The Eton School Register: 1791-1909, The Rugby School Register 1675-1874 and the Giggleswick School Register 1499 - 1913 are available on CDs
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 July 07 15:49 UTC (UK) »
I am looking for information about the schools attended by children of the soldiers who were at the barracks in Cavan during the 1890s.

Kathleen
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 July 07 16:11 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: giving up for a while on Thursday 11 August 05 11:41 UTC (UK)
Ireland was a very catholic country so the schools would have been run by the catholic church so it would have been very rare or unheard of for other religions to be in the Irish school system. Thankfully all that has changed today

Anne

Hiya Anne and Kathleen,

The PRONI article on School Records indicates that National Schools and Public Elementary Schools were open to all denominations. The article says "Some 2,500 national schools were established in Ulster in the period 1832-1870, built with the aid of the Commissioners of National Education and local trustees..."

I don't know how many were established in the other Provinces. In the Inspector's Report section of the article it says "Due to the fact that the newly established primary school system was to be non-denominational, all of the main churches were united in their dislike of the separation of the religious from the academic. On occasion this clerical opposition resulted in the establishment of rival schools in the area."

Kathleen, are you looking for the Roll Books and Registers of Drumaloor National School or did you just mention that name as an example because you noticed it in the Cavan and Monaghan records on the LDS site? The National Archives hold "National School Roll Books and Registers" received via the Department of Education - Cavan"

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 05 July 07 22:58 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Christopher. I'll do some checking into that.

Regards,  Kathleen
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Re: Cavan. Schools.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 03 September 07 20:17 UTC (UK) »


Which year is the earliest for Co Cavan school registers ?

I did notice a schoolmaster listed in the 1821 census and it mentioned the number of girls and boys that he taught

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