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Marilyn G.
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Hello,
I am a "very beginner". Would like help searching for John/Hannah Ashworth family, Marple Bridge,Derby England.
I am from the U.S.A. and have no idea as to how to do genealogy research for families from England, do not understand all the terms, can those of you with experience help? Thank you.
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casalguidi
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Hi Marilyn
Welcome to Rootschat
Perhaps you could give us some dates to start with and tell us just exactly what you do know.
You'll get lots of help & advice on here I'm sure.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Valda
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I'm not sure about a Marple (Bridge) in Derbyshire. There is a Marple in Cheshire. This census entry combines the two for a James Ashworth. I can't see him after this. If this is the right James did he emigrate and is so when? No Hannah though. Was she a wife or sister?
1861 census RG9 2554 folio 36
Market Street Beard Derbyshire
John Ashworth 61 New Mills, Derbyshire, Head Married Spinner at cotton mill
Elizabeth Ashworth 58 New Mills, Derbyshire, Wife
Joseph Ashworth 32 New Mills, Derbyshire, Son Unmarried spinner
Alice Ashworth 22 New Mills, Derbyshire, Daughter Unamrried Dressmaker
James Ashworth 20 born Marple, Cheshire, Son Unmarried Wheelwright
Alice Ashworth 23 New Mills, Derbyshire, Unmarried Niece Dressmaker
Mary Ashworth 20 New Mills, Derbyshire, Unmarried Niece Picer
David Ashworth 33 New Mills, Derbyshire, Lodger Married Clerk at Calico print works
Margaret Ashworth 38 G??, Cheshire, Wife Married
Mary Dale 9 Glossop, Derbyshire, Lodger Tirer
Alice Ann Ashworth 2 New Mills, Derbyshire, Granddaughter
John Ashworth 6mths New Mills, Derbyshire, Grandson
Regards
Valda
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Sylviaann
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Seems to be one of those places that moved county
I Googled and found this amongst many other sites
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Marple/
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukNorfolk: Gooch, Loveday, Lake, Betts Suffolk: Gooch, Crosby, Turner Hampshire: Laws, Burrows Kent: Beer Jersey: Barette, de Gruchy East London: Middleton, Gower, O'Farrell, Smith, Weston |
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Valda
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Phillimore Atlas and index of Parish registers places Marple in Cheshire not Derbyshire and the parish records deposited with Cheshire Record Office. When people on the 1861 census give Marple as their birthplace the census enumerators write Marple Cheshire, which is why I called it for Cheshire.
However, I imagine you are right. The county boundary between Cheshire and Derbyshire probably went somewhere through the actual parish itself.
However the real question is whether it is the right James Ashworth or not?
Regards
Valda
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Marilyn G.
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Hello, Thank you to all for your kind replies. Here is all the information I have on the Ashworth family I seek to learn more about.
John Ashworth born 7-3-1780
Hannah (his wife) born 5-16-1785
Lucy (their daughter I wish to find history of) born 11-21-1812
Lucy baptized : Formerly Mill Brow Indepentent, Marple Bridge, Derby, England.
Can you lead me to area to search? Do not know what above means. Thank you, Marilyn G.
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Valda
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These are Lucy and her siblings baptisms, that I sent you for others to see
WILLIAM ASHWORTH
Christening: 23 SEP 1808 Formerly Mill Brow Independent, Marple Bridge, Derby
BETTY ASHWORTH
Birth: 21 OCT 1810 Formerly Mill Brow Independent, Marple Bridge, Derby
LUCY ASHWORTH
Christening: FEB 1813 Formerly Mill Brow Independent, Marple Bridge, Derby
JOHN ASHWORTH
Birth: 02 DEC 1814 Formerly Mill Brow Independent, Marple Bridge, Derby
JOSEPH ASHWORTH - Birth: 28 OCT 1816 Formerly Mill Brow Independent, Marple Bridge, Derby
HANNAH ASHWORTH
Birth: 30 MAR 1820 Formerly Mill Brow Independent, Marple Bridge, Derby
EDWIN ASHWORTH
Christening: 10 DEC 1821 Formerly Mill Brow Independent, Marple Bridge, Derby
I know you don't know who Lucy married but do you know anything about her children?
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Valda
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Sylviaann
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Marilyn
The church used to be called Mill Brow independant in Marple Bridge, Derbyshire. It was a non conformist church.
I believe it is now called United Reform Church, Marple, Stockport, Cheshire. There is a picture on http://www.goytvalleyurc.org.uk/Marple_Bridge.htm
If you click this and the other link I gave you you will be able to see something about the church.
Marple Bridge is on the borders of Derbyshire and Cheshire. So is New Mills.
I'm not sure what information you require. You have Lucy's parents. It would be best to try to find their marriage on the IGI www.familysearch.org probably in Derbyshire or Cheshire but they could have come from anywhere in England
If she was still in England in 1851 you could ask for a lookup of the 1851 census giving probable year of birth, place and parents names.
Sylviaann
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukNorfolk: Gooch, Loveday, Lake, Betts Suffolk: Gooch, Crosby, Turner Hampshire: Laws, Burrows Kent: Beer Jersey: Barette, de Gruchy East London: Middleton, Gower, O'Farrell, Smith, Weston |
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peterbennett
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Hi Marilyn
I believe this may be your Lucy Ashworth, please do not be put of by the Stockport referances, it was quite common for the populas of Marple to marry at Cheadle and Stockport.
Marriage 21/June/1835 at St Mary Cheadle Stockport Lucy Ashworth and Samuel Moles.
1837 Stockport directory Samuel Moles Beer retailer Wellington Road South Stockport.
1841 census HO107-113-6-Page 1 Wellington Road South Stockport
Samuel Moles 30/35 beer seller all born in county
Lucy 25/30
Mary ?? 15/20 servant
Hannah Ashworth 13 female serv
1848 Stockport Trades Directory Samuel Moles publican Greyhound Tavern Romily Stockport
1851 census HO107-2154-Folio 164 Romiley Stockport Cheshire
Samuel Moles head marr 40 Publican born Stockport
Lucy Wife marr 38 ~
Robert Bromiley serv 16 ~
Ann Booth 16 servant ~
Samuel Moles died in Marple 1853 http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Lucy married again in 1854 William Brooks at Stockport St Mary
1861 census RG9-2569-Folio54 Middle Hill Gate Stockport
William Brookes head 53 pork butcher born Stockport
Lucy wife 48
Martha Smeby serv 17
Lucy Brooks died later in 1861 in Stockport aged 49
Hope this helps, I would suggest that you post a request in the Derbyshire county board for 1851/1841 census and maybe a marriage for Lucy just incase there are two of them.
It may also help to prove the findings if you purchase a marriage certificate for Lucy and William Brooks this would give you her fathers name.
peterbennett
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Valda
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On the 1861 census there are potential candidates for three of Lucy's brothers all living nearby to Marple Bridge.
William 1808 (with two daughters named Lucy and Betty) a felt hatter
John 1814 (with a daughter named Lucy) a carter
Edwin 1821, a felt hatter
No Joseph.
All three of these Ashworth men live in Werneth and gave Werneth as their place of birth. I believe Werneth is close to Marple Bridge. Perhaps Marple Bridge Congregational chapel was their nearest Independent chapel?
Also in Werneth and born Werneth circa 1812 on the 1861 census is a Lucy Dean. Without knowing the Lucy Ashworth's married name it is difficult to know whether Lucy Dean is another potential candidate or just a red herring.
Regards
Valda
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Marilyn G.
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Hello,
Thank you to all of you, your ideas are all so welcomed. I am having a difficult time understanding the terminology used and thus, am just not sure where (or how) to search. But, now thanks to all of your great ideas, I am understanding more...................I THINK!!!!? ?!!!
1. What does "Independent" mean?
2. Are Derby and Derbyshire the same?
3. "Formerly Mill Brow Independent", what does that mean?
As I have said, I am a very, very beginner. Thank you Peter for the research help, can you please tell me where I write to request marriage information? Thank you Valda, can you please share ideas as to where a beginner can "get started with family research" so they do not have to always bother others with so many questions? I am sure all of you have much of your own family research to do and so taking time to help me, a real "new-be" is so very appreciated. Marilyn G
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Valda
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Derby is a city in the county of Derbyshire, but in the case of the baptisms Derby is being used by the IGI as an abbreviation for Derbyshire.
Independent is a type of non-conformism, but independent of other denominations like Methodism and Baptists. The main Independents were Congregationalists which I'm fairly sure exist in America and are known by the same name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregational_church
In this country the Congregationalists are now known as The United Reform church, since they amalgamated with the Presbyterias in 1972.
I'm presuming at one point this chapel was known as Mill Brow Independent and then it changed its name to Marple Bridge Independent, hence the use of the term formerly. It was founded in 1662.
It is difficult to know how to advise you further with Lucy Ashworth if we don't know anything further about her life, such as did she emigrate to America? What was the name of her child that you descend from. Was the child's surname Moles? The Lucy who married Samuel Moles gave her birthplace on the censuses as Stockport. Ashworth is not an unusual surname in this area, so there are plenty of Ashworths about and probably more than one Lucy. Your Lucy had a sister called Hannah baptised in 1820. With Lucy Moles on the 1841 census was a Hannah Ashworth (no relationship given on the 1841 census) aged 13. Therefore a birth of circa 1828. Who was she if she was related to your Lucy?
Peter is suggesting this Lucy Ashworth on the censuses as a possibilty for your Lucy. He isn't saying it is proven.
The reference to the Lucy Moles marriage is
Moles, Lucy 1854 March (quarter) Stockport (registration district) Volume 8a page 75
You can order the certificate online directly from
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/
This marriage certificate will give you the name of the father of that Lucy Ashworth's father's name and his occupation. At present you don't know your Lucy Ashworth's father's occupation, only his name. A marriage certificate will not give you any details of her mother.
To get further details on your known Lucy and her parents from the baptismal register of Marple Bridge you need to contact Derbyshire Record Offices who have copies of the deposited register (the actual register is deposited with the National Archives). More information of what is available is on this website
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Marple/
Derbyshire Record Office website is at
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/record_office/
The whole point of the Rootschat website is that people are volunteering to 'be bothered' by helping others with their research. They want to do it.
That way people like you can become more experienced and knowledgeable as we work through the potential records that are available.
It is possible to work back through the U.S. censuses. The last one available is 1930. So if you are unsure about connections it is possible to go from the known of your family line in the U.S. back to what might be less known in England. Can you trace this line back in the U.S. before 1930? Can we help you with that?
Regards
Valda
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Sylviaann
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If you still want to know more try the Beginners links site
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,290.0.html
Or www.genuki.org.uk
or www.familysearch.org which I think is for Americans searching their British roots
Hope this helps
Sylviaann
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukNorfolk: Gooch, Loveday, Lake, Betts Suffolk: Gooch, Crosby, Turner Hampshire: Laws, Burrows Kent: Beer Jersey: Barette, de Gruchy East London: Middleton, Gower, O'Farrell, Smith, Weston |
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Marilyn G.
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Greetings!!
I will take your suggestions Silviaann and go for a visit to the sites you sent the links to, thank you.
Valda, I am not sure how the Ashworth name links into my family. My parents have passed away but I believe the Ashworth family may have a connection to my fathers side. My mothers side is from Germany. My father's name is Underwood but he was adopted at about 4 years of age (in his papers, one document states he was born January 7, 1926). Thus, I do not have much family information on him. He was born in the U.S.A. but I believe Underwood to be an English name. His adoptive parents have passed away long ago and so my sister and I think the paper we found (among his things) with the name "Lucy Ashworth born November 21, 1812" and her parents names with birthdates as well would possibly relate way, way, back in his family......maybe even his adoptive family (their name was Kuehnl), we just do not know. Thank you for your help, Marilyn
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