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Topic: Edward Sandys, 1819, Roscommon (Read 1346 times)
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Sarah in Midlands
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Ken Goldsack (1917 - 1994)
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I have an Edward Sandys whose birth is listed as 1819, Roscommon.
I know by the 1840's he was in London.
Can anyone tell me how to find birth details etc for him?
I've tried familysearch to no avail.
All help gratefully received.
Sarah
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cosmo
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I may be able to help . I have 4 families of Sandys living in Roscommon in early 1800's. are you sure the name is Edward could it be Edwin? are there any other details which would help to identify him like occupation ? one family had all sons in military? Cosmo
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Sarah in Midlands
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Oooh Cosmo!!!! Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away on hols...
All I know of him is from the census' and certificates.
He married Elizabeth Stott in London in 1844.
In 1861 he is living in Southwark with his children Frances, Louisa, Edward and Robert. His other daughter Eleanor is listed at a school a couple of doors down from them. He is variously listed as a police constable and porter.
From the census, he was born around 1819 in Roscommon.
Does any of this help???
Best regards
Sarah
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william_walton
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Hi,
I can confirm Edward Sandys ( Son of Alexander & Margaret Sandys of county Roscommon ) was in London in the early 1840s and I believe remained in London.
He died on the 28th of November 1874 at the age of 56 and is Interred at Victoria Park Cemetery ( unsure of locality but undertaker was W.Hodges , 85 Grange Road ).
Brother of Julia Maria Sandys ( Roscommon - Married Dockery ).
Would be interested in further information as well.
William
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Duncano
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Alexander Sandys was my great-great-great grandfather. Currently I know very little about Alexander.
On both Edward Sandys's marriage certificate in 1844 and Julia Sandys's marriage certificate in 1858 Alexander describes his profession as "gentleman". Presumably this implies he had a reasonable education and background.
My cousin has a letter written by Alexander to his son Edward in 1842 from Carracrin(m) Lodge County Roscommon. The family had fallen into debt and Alexander was in the process of selling his lands and Carracrin(m) Lodge "for a trifle". See also mention of an Alexander Reynolds Sandys "a modest squire of Carracrim" on www.ballykilcline.com. The story of Ballykilcline at this time may explain why Alexander had fallen into debt and why Edward left London to become a railway porter.
In his letter Alexander says "your poor brother John was very ill" and also sends regards from ""all your brothers and sisters" (which would imply quite a large family). Alexander also asks if Edward has seen Basil Sandys in London (I would guess this implies that Basil is not a brother but perhaps a cousin or uncle). The letter also mentions that Edward had fallen out with his brother-in-law, who I believe is called Mr Robinson.
Hope you find this useful. I haven't seen my cousin for awhile so I unfortunately haven't got a full copy of the letter or any other family documents that he holds.
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Sarah in Midlands
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Ken Goldsack (1917 - 1994)
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Wow!
That's fantastic! Another descendent of Alexander / Edward has done some research on the Sandys but as yet we have been unable to find a definate link back from Alexander so any information is most gratefully received...
Edward was my great x3 grandfather. He married Elizabeth Stott in 1844 with whom he had at least 6 children.
Thank you so much for this snippet of information and I would really welcome any further information you or your cousin could provide - especially a transcript or copy of the letter if that was at all possible!!!
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sarah
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Maystan
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I also have some SANDYS.
Edward Stanley, b: 1725 of Roscommon married an Eliz. Thomas. They had a son Edward, 1748 of Roscommon who married Lydia Bacon. One of their sons James Henthorn Stanley, b: 1775, Lt. Royal Navy, married Eliz. Ireland. James Henthorn Stanley had a son Edmond who married a Rebecca Susan SANDYS in 1809.
Another son William James married a Louisa SANDYS in 1835. Louisa's parents being Robert SANDYS & Mary Bouchier. He also married an Anne SANDYS, father of Ann was George SANDYS.
I don't know if these Sandys are of any interest but one never knows.
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lfh
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Hi! This may be very very interesting for those on this thread, and for me too! (It could however not be!)
Although the name Edward SANDYS is not in my tree, Alexander SANDYS certainly is, and so is Julia Maria SANDYS as mentioned by William :
Brother of Julia Maria Sandys ( Roscommon - Married Dockery ).
Although I have lots of info (my) Alexander's children, I haven't been able to place them in Roscommon yet, so birth dates are 'circa's. I have Alexander living in Hull, and being in Runcorn, and that he is a retired farmer and gentleman. I don't have a spouse or a birth date for him, just a range of 1794 to 1806. He's my GG Grandfather.
I have five of his children, d.o.b. from censuses :
Julia Maria SANDYS, born ca 1836, Roscommon, Ireland;
William Alexander SANDYS, born ca 1838, in Ireland;
Thomas Conniff SANDYS, born ca 1842, Roscommon, Ireland;
Nehemiah SANDYS, born ca 1847, Ireland;
Eliza Mary SANDYS, born ca 1850-51, Roscommon, Ireland
(She says Athlone in the 1871 census).
I am very interested in the info from William that :
I can confirm Edward Sandys ( Son of Alexander & Margaret Sandys of county Roscommon ) . . .
and also Duncano's info that :
Alexander Sandys was my great-great-great grandfather . . . On both Edward Sandys's marriage certificate in 1844 and Julia Sandys's marriage certificate in 1858 Alexander describes his profession as "gentleman".
and the info about the letter "written by Alexander to his son Edward in 1842 from Carracrin(m) Lodge County Roscommon. The family had fallen into debt and Alexander was in the process of selling his lands and Carracrin(m) Lodge "for a trifle".
Alexander was a farmer as I have said, and I have Julia's marriage certificate too.
Sarah in Midlands - who's the "Another descendent of Alexander / Edward (who) has done some research"?
My only doubts about the Edward / Alexander connection are that the spread of children would be too great (?) - Edward born 1819 - Eliza born 1851. That's 32 years, which is very unlikely unless there was a second marriage?
I'm sending this separately to Sarah in Midlands, Cosmo, William_Walton, and Duncano. Let's hope all this fits together somewhere!
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cosmo
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to DUNCANO the Basil you refer to was my Gr Gr grandfather I think he would have been a cousin he was born in 1800 his father was Edwin. The family were all gentlemen farmers ie they had land, and some rented from the absentee landlords which they in turn rented to tenants who worked the land for them.I have sent a reply to lfh re the family Debt problems I would also have an up date on maystan Sandys they are connected
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cosmo
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Hi This may be off interest to those following the Edward / Alexander sandys lines.
In the Marriage Licence Bonds of Elphin I found an entry for Alexander Sandys and Margaret Sandys in 1813, with a futher entry for Alexander Sandys and ? for 1833 which may explain the spread of children. really the most clues as to their lives may be in the estate papers for the Pakenham-Mahon family most of which are in the national library in Dublin. or at Strokestown
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