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Re: Eliza STUBBINGS/STARLING - Cowlinge
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 14 December 08 17:31 UTC (UK) »
Hi cinzano

Have you found Eliza and Jane on the 1881 census, if so can you post the reference.
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Re: Eliza STUBBINGS/STARLING - Cowlinge
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 14 December 08 17:50 UTC (UK) »
Eliza was my GGGM on my mother's maternal side.  She died in Cambridge in about 1909.

She had a daughter Matilda who was born illegitimately in 1874 -- she was my GGM who I remember fondly.  She lived and died in Kirtling - about 6 miles from Newmarket.

Eliza married Jabez Stubbings in 1879 - they had no children - he died in 1887.  She then married William Pledger late in 1888, and they had 2 children.  William died in 1892.  She then married William Howe - a widower- in late 1893, and they had one daughter.  William died in 1813.  One of William's children to his first wife Elizabeth Pledger was called Charley.  He married Matilda and was my GGF whom I vaguely remember as a very small child.

I have not been able to prove a link between William and Elizabeth Pledger, but in a small village like Kirtling there was bound to be a family connection going back no more than a couple of generations.

I do hope I've not confused the heck out of you -- it took me some time to work out all the links - but I'm happy to report there are no first cousin marriages on that side of the family. 

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Re: Eliza STUBBINGS/STARLING - Cowlinge
« Reply #17 on: Monday 15 December 08 21:19 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: suffolk*sue on Sunday 14 December 08 17:31 UTC (UK)
Hi cinzano

Have you found Eliza and Jane on the 1881 census, if so can you post the reference.
 
Hi there, Yes I have Jane ( her surname is written as STERLING) in Fairburn Yorks. The ref no is RG11  Piece/folio 4586/124 Page no. 5  I hope thats what you asked about as I haven't done this before! She is also on the 1891 living with the same family she was boarded with at birth...William Bramley again in Fairburn. Her mother, Eliza Starling is another problem! I don't know where to start with her because she must have moved to Yorkshire for work or simply to have the baby. I cannot find an Eliza living in Yorkshire on the 1871 ,81 or 91 census. Jane was born in 1876 so I have been looking between 1850- 1862 for Eliza's birth. Plenty of Eliza Starlings living in Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridgeshire...but which one is she? Any suggestions?
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Re: Eliza STUBBINGS/STARLING - Cowlinge
« Reply #18 on: Monday 15 December 08 21:30 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: alstark on Sunday 14 December 08 17:50 UTC (UK)
Eliza was my GGGM on my mother's maternal side.  She died in Cambridge in about 1909.

She had a daughter Matilda who was born illegitimately in 1874 -- she was my GGM who I remember fondly.  She lived and died in Kirtling - about 6 miles from Newmarket.

Eliza married Jabez Stubbings in 1879 - they had no children - he died in 1887.  She then married William Pledger late in 1888, and they had 2 children.  William died in 1892.  She then married William Howe - a widower- in late 1893, and they had one daughter.  William died in 1813.  One of William's children to his first wife Elizabeth Pledger was called Charley.  He married Matilda and was my GGF whom I vaguely remember as a very small child.

I have not been able to prove a link between William and Elizabeth Pledger, but in a small village like Kirtling there was bound to be a family connection going back no more than a couple of generations.

I do hope I've not confused the heck out of you -- it took me some time to work out all the links - but I'm happy to report there are no first cousin marriages on that side of the family. 


Thanks for the info... The reason I was interested in your Eliza was that she started out as a STARLING and had an illigitimate daughter in 1874. My Eliza had the same in 1876. Do you know if Starling was her maiden name or had she been married to someone of that name? If she had been married before her marriage to Jabez Stubbings do you have any info on that? Also do you know if Eliza ever moved away from Kirtling, either with one of her husbands or in between them? She possibly had 4 husbands !  Also do you know what her occupation was? Sorry to ask so many questions but your answers may help me eliminate this particular Eliza!
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Re: Eliza STUBBINGS/STARLING - Cowlinge
« Reply #19 on: Monday 15 December 08 23:14 UTC (UK) »
My Eliza was born in Cowlinge, Suffolk -- a small village about 4 miles from Kirtling where her first husband lived, Cambs.  Her parents were William Starling and Matilda Martin - also of Cowlinge.  All of the related families were either farm labourers or in domestic service.

It is a very rural part of the country -- well away from major routes -- and almost of the members of her extended tree for a couple of generations lived within a 10 mile radius of Kirtling.

As far as I know Eliza only had one illegitimate child -- my GGM Matilda Starling.  The 1881 census shows theStubbings household consisting of Jabez, Eliza,  Arthur Stubbings (Jabez' nephew) age 14  and Matilda age 7. 

I think you can safely rule my Eliza out of your tree.

Alan
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Re: Eliza STUBBINGS/STARLING - Cowlinge
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 08:50 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: cinzano on Monday 15 December 08 21:19 UTC (UK)
Quote from: suffolk*sue on Sunday 14 December 08 17:31 UTC (UK)
Hi cinzano

Have you found Eliza and Jane on the 1881 census, if so can you post the reference.
 
Hi there, Yes I have Jane ( her surname is written as STERLING) in Fairburn Yorks. The ref no is RG11  Piece/folio 4586/124 Page no. 5  I hope thats what you asked about as I haven't done this before! She is also on the 1891 living with the same family she was boarded with at birth...William Bramley again in Fairburn. Her mother, Eliza Starling is another problem! I don't know where to start with her because she must have moved to Yorkshire for work or simply to have the baby. I cannot find an Eliza living in Yorkshire on the 1871 ,81 or 91 census. Jane was born in 1876 so I have been looking between 1850- 1862 for Eliza's birth. Plenty of Eliza Starlings living in Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridgeshire...but which one is she? Any suggestions?


Does Janes birth cert give any clues? The address where she was born for instance.
Have you looked for a baptism for Jane? that may yield more info.
I think this is going to be a difficult one.

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