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Crazy Robert
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Edward COBLE, retired commercial artist died possibly in Bovey Tracey, South Devon sometime after 1977 and probably before ( ?). His father was a Photographer.
I don’t know exactly when he was born but, perhaps fairly soon after early 1908 when his probable parents married – FREEBMD does not have an entry of Edwards birth around or after 1908.
If there was an Obituary or death notice for him, what publication at the time would it have been in? And what graveyard may he be buried in?
I am trying to establish who Edward’s father was – I believe his father might be Ernest COBLE (b1875), son of William COBLE (bc1844) whom I have found on the 1901 & 1881 Census in London area. Edward married June Qtr 1908. AT this stage I am trying to avoid getting certificates until I know if it's worthwhile, as I live in Australia and it can get quite expensive!!
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCoble or Covell, Coule Australia, Canada, USA @ England.
Barker Australia @ England
Walker Australia, England @ South America.
Bristol Australia @ England.
Nash Australia @ England.
Wildman @ Australia.
many more other Names.
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AMBLY
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Hi Ozy Bob
What was the event around early 1800s to early 1900s in Devon?
If I am taking a wild guess, would this be related to perhaps correspondence to Edward from your William COBLE or his descendants ? (William COBLE being your mystery man who was convicted in the Norfolk Azzises to Australia in 1834, and prior was in at Swaffham House of Correction in 1827 after being found guilty of housebreaking?)
Is the address you posted from an old letter - if so, is it possible to post an image of it here so we can see it?
I searched the 1881 Census.
In National Index, No Edward in Devon, but elsewhere in UK it results in only 2:
Edward COBBLE born abt 1838 Essex, Census London
Edward COBLE born abt 1876 Norfolk, Census Norfolk.
Here is the full result for the latter: because it has the Norfolk connection:
Morley, St Botolph, Norfolk, England
Source: FHL Film 1341471 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1955 Folio 97 Page 6
Head: George COBLE Marr age 37 born Holme Hale, Norfolk; Blacksmith
Wife: Ellen COBLE Marr age 32 born Terrington St Clements, Norfolk,
Son: William COBLE age 12 born Holme Hale, Norfolk
Son: John COBLE age 11 born Holme Hale, Norfolk, Scholar
Dau: Louisa COBLE age 7 born Attleboro, Norfolk, Scholar
Son: Edward COBLE age 5 born Morley St Botolph, Norfolk, Scholar
Dau: Lizzie COBLE age 1 born Morley St Botolph, Norfolk
I searched the 1901 Census at Ancestry (they offer free search of 1901 until end Sept): http://www.ancestry.co.uk
No Edward COBLE at all born around 1876, but there was one born abt 1848 Norfolk, and another 1882 Oxford - neither census in Devon.
There are altogether only 147 spelled as COBLE, but the name could be also spelled as CABLE, COBBLE, etc etc. Quite a few are in Devon.
You can also use the LDS for 1881 Census:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
- this is the reason I wanted to confirm the address you posted - is it spelled correctly - because sometimes can find an address on my 81 Census CD set and see who was at that address.
On Ancestry 1901, you can find a subject and view all who were in house and gain ref numbers etc, but you cannot view image to see exact address' or occupations unless you pay their fairly hefty subscription fees.
So....if you find one you like in Ancestry, go then to the other site:
http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
and look that person up there, you will be able to see the occupation on their free search.
With a bit of labouring you may find the boy I found in 1881 , aged abt 25 on the 1901 but spelled incorrectly. If indeed this is the one you want.
Ozy Bob, I feel such sympathy for you - you are trying so hard to find William COBLE and have not had much luck....
I see in one of your posts
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,78156.0.html
you have a photo of William and his wife and further it states he was born 2 Dec 1806 in Norfolk. In other later posts you seem not to know of his birthdate - is there a reason why you don't appear confident of the 1806 date - where did the date come from?
William COBLE deported to Australia from Portsmonth on the Aurora 4 July 1833,ariving in NSW Australia on the 3 November 1833. Was his age listed on the "passenger" manifest? or his birth date on his Ticket of Leave?
Have you tried this site also for COBLE BMDS in England:
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Hi Ozy Bob 
From the PM you kindly sent, it is revealed:
Edward COBLE’s father was a photographer, supposedly in an official capacity to Queen Victoria while she was still alive (she died Jan 1901)
Edward COBLE was alive in 1977 but since deceased.
A look on Census 1901 reveals a most likely candidate - the only COBLE noted with an occupation of Photographer – as Edward’s father (but this does not preclude Edward’s father being enumerated with his surname mis-spelled):-
Location: Hammersmith (Christchurch West Kensington Park & St Matthew), London
District: Fulham, Sub District: Sth Hammersmith
Ref: RG13/48, ED:2, Folio:124, Page:7
Head: William COBLE age 55 (YOB ca 1846), born Narborough, Norfolk, Cab Driver
Wife: Hannah COBLE age 62 (YOB ca 1839), born Westminister, London
Son: Ernest COBLE age 26 (YOB ca 1875) born Notting Hill, London, Photographer.
If Ernest was Edwards father, then it may be that the “Ernest was an official photographer to Queeb Vic” story is at worst a bit of an exaggeration. She died Jan 1901 so Ernest was very young to have had the job if he ever did, and I would think if he was in those circles he may have been working for an Official photographer…..Queen Victoria may have had more than one; definitely the Photography firm born of Thomas Annan, T & R Annan & Sons Ltd of Scotland was given a Royal Warrant in 1889.
This 1901 COBLE family is on the earlier census 1881 as follows:
Claremontvil Gardens, London Middlesex
RG11/0059, Folio 73, page 17; LDS reference 1341013
Head: William COBLE, married, age 37 born Norbrough, Norfolk, occ: Cab Driver
Wife: Hannah COBLE, married, age 44, born Westminister, Middlesex London
Son: Charles H A COBLE, age 11, born Kensington, Middlesex, Scholar
Dau: Ada M L COBLE, age 8, born Kensington, Middlesex, Scholar
Son: Ernest G F COBLE, age 6, born Kensington, Middlesex, Scholar
Lodger: Charles JESSOP, single, age 26, born Tuestone, Lincolshire, Carpenter Master
Lodger: Eliza HOLMES, married, age 55, born Seend?, Wiltshire, Monthly Nurse
Note, Ernest’s age is consistent between the 2 Census, but William & Hannah appear to have aged down a bit by 1901 – which estimates YOB as 1844 and 1837 respectively. FREEBMD and IGI appears to have quite a bit going back on this family –and Ernest’s birth is also on FREEBMD. His marriage is also, as follows:
Ernest George F COBLE married :
June Qtr 1908, Kingston 2a 829
To either: Mary Louisa BURROUGH or Ethel Annie TAYLOR
There is no FREEBMD birth for Edward COBLE near or after 1908.
The Devon address you have for Edward COBLE, the possible son of Ernest, is from a letter sent 1977, when Edward was a retired Commercial Artist.
The correct address ( it was a bit hard to dechipher) is:
Edward COBLE
Birchayes,
Whisselwell,
Bovey Tracey,
South Devon,
A Google search reveals a present day 2005 reference to that exact address, so it obviously continues to exist – with the added information that it’s Whisselwell Close, and area code in UK is: TQ13 9LA
You could perhaps send a letter to the “Present Occupants” asking if they know of a previous occupant named COBLE, or any of his descendants. Always worth a try!
The best way to confirm Edward’s parentage, in absence of locating perhaps an obituary or descendants, is to look up his death then perhaps his birth etc. I feel sure it will lead to Ernest > William and so on – but an assumption is never a certainty!
You probably need to try and first establish if it is correct to follow Ernest’s family back at this point – even given that Ernest’s father does lead you back to the general Norfolk area where you believe your own William COBLE( born 1806-1810) was from, and that COBLE seems not that common of a name.
Cheers 
Anne
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debbi2k
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I have also looked at the scanned letter(sorry lost your email address Bob).
I checked the BVRI for Howard and nothing came up(but its not complete and Devon is poorly covered)
I couldnt find him on the 1901 census so guess he was born after then and probably 1912( 1977 - 65) or before.
I suggest you write to Exeter musuem about the boat and see if they have anything helpful.
I will check the parish register for any Cobles if available at my local RO on Thursday.
Last of all try looking at websites about Queen Victoria and see if they shed any llight or have links or help pages that might ;lead you too him.
Debbi
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Emery,Willis,Cawsey,Gibbings,Stevens and Newcombe;Devon
Monk,Griffths,Kingdon ; Gloucs,Oxfordshire and Bristol
Janes;Woolwich,Charlton
Sculpher;Norfolk,Bermondsey
Grubb:Wiltshire
Morgan and Davis;Eglwysilan,Glam
Kingdon,Saunders,Greedy,Tarr;Somerset
Poore;Berkshire
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