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Question: WHO IS HANNAH CRESSWELL'S FATHER?
James   -3 (60%)
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CRESSWELL look up please
« on: Wednesday 30 June 04 15:34 BST (UK) »

 Smiley
Hello to Derbyshire, from Rhode Island,( the smallest state )and home to many of Derby's descendants.

I am wondering if someone would be so kind as to look for the following people for me and possible ancestors.  
My grandmother, Doris Redman, came to RI with the woolen industry as a little girl age 6.  I am looking for some of her ancestors.

 JOSEPH CRESSWELL b 1831 Denby Derbyshire
m Sarah Ann________?______.

Any information on this line would certainly be appreciated.  Their daughter Hannah was my gg grandmother.  Hannah was born in Denby on 18 Feb 1853.

Thanks in advance!
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Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND
Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND
Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND

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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 July 04 18:23 BST (UK) »

Hi Beverly,
Is Joseph b 1831 the son of Robert & Mary Creswell who was Bpt 11th December 1831 Denby? With the following siblings:-
Elizabeth Bpt 24.9.1826
Stephen        23.11.1828 = Hannah Woolland 7.10.1847
Mary Ann       16.6.1833
Robert            23.10.1836
Benjamine     28.5.1837 = Mirah Palfreyman 20.1.1857
Timothy           7.4.1850

You can find most of these on 1881 Census www.familysearch.co.uk
Robert & Mary are also on.
Have been unable to find a marriage for Joseph & Sarah Ann, both were born in Denby.
Will you please confirm birth date for Hannah, will then see if I  can find them on 1861 Census.
Greetings from Belper twinned with Pawtuckett.
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 July 04 16:29 BST (UK) »

 Smiley
Thanks for the information.  I cant seem to get into familyserch.co.uk, but can get it from familysearch.org- maybe its because I am in the US?
Anyway, I was up until after midnight last night trying to figure this family out.  There certainly is a ton of British  information at the Mormon site...thanks again for further suggesting I pursue this site.  
Have a nice day!
Sincerely,
Bev  Smiley


PS Hannah Cresswell was born Feb 18, 1853 in Denby.  I have her actual little prayer book and a newspaper obit that was sent here to Rhode Island to my grandmother in 1836. "She died at " 6 Grange Avenue, Aughton (sp?) Road Estate Swallonest.  (Huh?)She was a native of Denby, Derbyshire."
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Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND
Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND

SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!!  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 July 04 18:21 BST (UK) »

Hi. Swallownest  is just east of Sheffield and on my modern map is in Yorkshire now but may well have been in Derbyshire then, not much in it distance wise. Aughton is spelled right and is another place just east of Sheffield. The following link may interest you http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Aston/index.html
I must admit that I never heard of "wapentake" before in my life - must be a weird Yorkshire thing! Grin
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 July 04 20:36 BST (UK) »

Hi Beverly.

You might want to keep an eye on the archives of messages from the Derbysgen mailing list on rootsweb.  The Denby parish registers dating from 1573 are currently being copied on to the site by one of the listers - they are up to the 1750's at the moment and I have noticed several instances of the surname Cresswell. I don't know what date they will go up to.

The link is http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DERBYSGEN/, scroll down to 'June 2004', and then search for 'Denby Register' (there are several messages, and they carry into July 2004).

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 July 04 22:54 BST (UK) »

WAPENTAKE

Is a hundred or division of a Shire, in areas of England that had a large Danish population.
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 July 04 19:27 BST (UK) »

Thanks for your help; I will check through all the Denby records you are posting.
Beverly
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Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND
Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND
Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 18:08 BST (UK) »

 Huh
Hello to everyone so kind to be helping me.
I am totally confused at this point.  
I had always thought Hannah Cresswell's( b Feb 18, 1853 in Denby) fathers name was Joseph and her mother, Sarah Ann.  
I recently viewed Hannah and Henry Walter's marriage documentation on the LDS site, and saw where she listed her father as James Cresswell.  
Can someone please help by searching for her in the census?  
I have her little prayer book and also the original obit from 1936, but neither give mention of her ancestors.
Interestingly the article claims, "to have never had a doctor or a bottle of medicine until the last 2 weeks of her life."  You go girl!!  LOL!!   She was 83 when she passed away!
Have a good week everyone!
Bev
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Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND
Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND
Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND

SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!!  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 18:59 BST (UK) »

Hi Bev,

There is this baptism on the IGI:

Anne Cresswell, 14th June 1853, Bradley, Derbys, parents James and Elizabeth Creswell.

Bradley is just under 11 miles away from Denby.

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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 19:05 BST (UK) »

Bev, Regarding the confusion in the name of Hannah's father, have you tried the FreeBMD site?  I just did a quick search for you, and although there is a year difference in year of birth, there are other similarities:
Birth: June 1852
Hanna Cresswell
District:  Belper*
Vol. 7b, pg.311
*The District of Belper includes Denby.

If this looks like a possibility, you might want to order the birth certificate.  That will give you her father's name.  If you're not familiar with the site, here is the link:
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 19:16 BST (UK) »

Dear Sasha and Meh,
Not knowing the "lay of the land" I am wondering if this could help in the quest.  I cannot find the information I have that Joseph was her father...this is driving me nuts.
She identifies herself in the hymnal as Hannah Cresswell Ripley, February 1877.  She was married the following year to Henry Walters.
Bev Huh Roll Eyes  

HANNAH'S OBIT.
FOUND IN HER HYMNAL- A COLLECTION OF HYMNS FOR THE USE OF THE PEOPLE CALLED METHODISTS 1876


January 6, 1936
"The late Mrs. Hannah Walters- The death occurred on Monday at her home 6 Grange Avenue, Aughton Road Estate, Swallownest, of Mrs. Hannah Walters, widow of Mr. Henry Walters. The deceased lady, who was 83 years of age, had resided at Swallownest for the last 60 years.  She was a native of Denby, Derbyshire.  She could claim that she had never had a doctor or a bottle of medicine until the last two weeks of her life.  Her husband died about 15 years ago.  She leaves one son, six daughters, and 17 grand children and four great-grandchildren.  The interment took place on Thursday in the cemetery at Aston, following a service conducted in All Saints Church by the Reverand AR Hince (assistant curate).  The mourners included Mr. and Mrs. J. Walters, of Swallownest (son and daughter in law), Mr. and MRs. C. Simpson of Bradford(son in law and daughter), Miss Mary Walters of Bradford (daughter), Mrs. J. King of Bradford (daughter), Mrs. W Greenwood of BRadford (daughter), Mrs. T. Gunday of Goldthorpe (daughter), Mr. Norman Gunday of Goldthorpe, Miss Madge Walters of Bradford, Master Eric Walters of Bradford (grandchildren), Mr. and Mrs. J. Coundley of Swallownest, Mr. and Mrs. G. Whysall of Swallownest (nephews and neices), and MRs. L Turner of Swallownest.  Floral tributes were sent by James and Florrie and family, Carrie and Charlie, Polly and Jane, Alice and Billy, Mimi, Tom, and Norman (grandchildren), and Mr. and Mrs. G Whysall of Swallownest."

Interred at Aston, January 9, 1936
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Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND
Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND
Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND

SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!!  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 19:43 BST (UK) »

Hi Bev,

You're lucky to have the obit - all those names!

If I were you I would buy a copy of Hannah's marriage certificate.  This will eliminate the possibility of a transcription error on the IGI, give you an occupation for her father which may help to place him on the census, and perhaps the witnesses to the marriage may provide extra clues.

I see from the IGI that the marriage took place in Codnor & Loscoe.  Having just looked on the Genuki site the parish church is St. James, but it also mentions that the Weslyan Reformers & Methodists have places of worship there, and from the details in her obit it could well be that she was married there.

Regards,
Sasha.  Smiley

p.s. - have you seen the look-up offer for Derby Local Studies Library?
http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=150;action=display;threadid=6242;start=0;boardseen=1
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 19:44 BST (UK) »

Bev, From the FreeCen website for 1891 UK:
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Piece: RG12/3844 Place: Rotherham-West Riding of Yorkshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Aston With Aughton Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Folio: 77 Page: 44 Schedule: 242

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   Surname   First name(s)   Rel   Status   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks  
   WALTERS   Henry   Head   M   M   39   Coal Miner(Em'ee)    Nottinghamshire - -        
   WALTERS   Hannah   Wife   M   F   38       Derbyshire - -        
   WALTERS   Sarah   Dau   -   F   13       Derbyshire - -        
   WALTERS   Mary   Dau   -   F   11       Derbyshire - -        
   WALTERS   Catherine   Dau   -   F   10       Yorkshire - -        
   WALTERS   Jane   Dau   -   F   8       Derbyshire - -        
   WALTERS   Alice   Dau   -   F   5       Derbyshire - -        
   WALTERS   Jemima   Dau   -   F   3       Derbyshire -  
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 20:15 BST (UK) »

Thanks Meg,
I have that information- SARAH was my great gram and I named by daughter after her. Sarah left England and emigrated to Maine, and then Rhode Island.
Its these darn Cresswells that are driving me nuts.
The more I look at things, the more it looks like Hannah's father was James and not Joseph.

Hi Sasha,
Thanks for the hyperlink for the person who will do lookups.  I just added a post for her.
I have 4 generations back if her father was Joseph- b 1831 in Denby, but it looks like her dad was James.  
On to more research.  Good thing I have the summer off- I am a reading/literacy teacher.
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Hannah may have claimed to never have had anything from a bottle, but at this point, I am ready to drink a whole bottle of wine!!! Smiley

Thanks again for all your help, Sasha and Meg!!
I'm sending some Rhode Island sunshine your way!
Bev
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Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND
Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND

SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!!  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 06 July 04 22:07 BST (UK) »

Hi Bev,
1881 Census on www.familysearch.org:-
      Name                         Age        Born
Walters Henry    Head    27  Cinderhill, Nottingham   Coal Miner
"         Hannah    Wife     28  Denby, Derbys
"    Sarah Ann     Dau        3  Rentrick, Derbys
"     Mary             Dau        1  Aston, York
"  William        Brother     40  Pentrick, Derbys              Coal Miner

Living   Aston Ter, Aston Cum Aughton & Ulley York
Ref  RG11/4670/78   Pg  46.

This I think proves she was born in Denby, Derbys.  The place names
Rentrick and Pentrick  I am sure should read PENTRICH, Derbyshire.
There is a Birth of Sarah Ann June Quarter 1878 Belper 7b, 595.  Belper Registration District includes Pentrich. (this is on free BMD)
The connection being Coal, it was mined Pentrich, Denby, Heage, Belper etc. all within a few miles of each other.
Will visit record office tomorrow and see if I can find her on the 1861 Census, Before she got married.
Spendlove


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