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Topic: CRESSWELL look up please (Read 11971 times)
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suzard
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Hi John-just thought I'd confuse you again-my George Cresswell s father was Robert married to Catherine Hunt-her father was Nathaniel Hunt.
I have found Nathaniel Hunt on 1881(dont think it's the right one for me-BUT- he lived at Quelgreaves Farm(actually Olgreaves-but spelling wrong on 1881)-he had a son Samuel Hunt(mention it cos the name is on your post!)-actually his name was Samuel FOX Hunt!!!!!!-In 1881 at the farm my grandfather WILLIAM THORNHILL was a servant.
Coincidence is WILLIAM THORNHILL married ELIZABETH CRESSWELL-who is the daughter of GEORGE!!!!!
These coincidences drive you crazy-especially when you know they must fit in somewhere!!!!!!!
Sounds like you're addicted-me too!
If you come across either of my ROBERT CRESSWELL's would be great!
Cheers Suz
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Hi John-came across this marriage today-may be son of your GEORGE CRESSWELL???
St Lawrence Heanor
No 426 1st Jan 1898 -St Lawrence Heanor
ERNEST CRESSWELL 30 Butcher Denby Father GEORGE CRESSWELL Miner
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ELIZABETH HUNT 34 Heanor father CHARLES HUNT Lace Manufacturer
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Beverley Nicholson
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Hello to everyone!
I am so totally lost its unbelievable! I had no idea that this wonderful chat was happening- I am not getting emails notifying me of current postings.
Am I understanding that you believe that Hannah's father was James son of Francis Cresswell?
I thought James was the son of John... ?
Oh my, I feel so far away from all of this.
I am so confused.
Bev
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!!  |
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John Whysall
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This is, I am afraid, one of the useless "by-the-ways..." for which my family, et al., mock me....
I was starting to review the extent of these contributions, and trying to find some new approach.
Sticking to the Joseph Cresswell connection took me back to the 1881 census, when Joseph is keeping a "beerhouse" at Smalley. The only child left living with Joseph and Sarah Ann is a younger Joseph, aged 15, born at Horsley Woodhouse, and "unemployed".
Ker...ching! A small coin dropped. Horsley Woodhouse is barely a mile from Smalley, on the A609 road, heading west. Denby is a couple of miles due north. So we are dealing with very small distances here. Joseph Cresswell, born 22 December, 1865, at Denby, died 19 July 1932 at Birmingham. How do I know? Ah, well, a juvenile fascination for cricket, and hours reading "Wisden". Anyway, I refreshed on the detail at http://uk.crickinfo.com/db/PLAYERS/ENG/C/CRESSWELL_J_01029187/
So young Joseph was not entirely "unemployed" in 1881: he was out there playing up, and playing the game. Beverley, you have a minor sports celebrity in your family tree.
P.S. Should I explain "Wisden" for the benefit of benighted denizens of our ex-colonies?
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Beverley Nicholson
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 Well well, what an interesting tid bid. However, the hyperlink you've sent sends me to a home webpage with many other links (lol- including pet supplies for crickets) I'm not sure what to click on.
Please advise- and have a good day!
Bev
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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John Whysall
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Sorry, cousin Beverley, I was being too "clever" for my own good.
If you google the combination "joseph cresswell"+cricket you should turn up just half-a-dozen headings. Two might be of interest to you:
no 4 on my display refers to the Warwickshire Ancestors Project [www.hunimex.net/warwick/freecens/2380.html]. This shows that, in 1891, Joseph Cresswell is lodging with Mrs Sarah Stimson at 288 Sherlock Street, Birmingham. He is aged 24, and described as a "Professional Cricketer". That surprised me a bit: I had not realised that a bit player like Joseph could survive on the game alone. My guess is that he is playing for one of the local league teams as a all-rounder batsman-and-bowler. He played "first-class" cricket (i.e. at the County Championship level) for just five seasons in 1895-99.
no 5 on my display is the uk.cricinfo.com database entry, to which I have already referred. If you use this Google link, you avoid the log-in kefuffle which banjaxed you.
Meanwhile, I am trying a couple of other ways of creeping up on the quarry. More later, after I have dealt with my visiting electrician, fed my wife, etc.
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Beverley Nicholson
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Just wondering if what you are citing says Cresswell after the name James. Ive seen one certificate that only mentions his first name.
If what you are citing, then there is not a question as to who Hannah's father was- right?
Thanks for your help.
Bev
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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familysearcher
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We have a CRESSWELL in our tree as follows:
Caleb CRESSWELL Siviter.
born 1869 son of Solomon Siviter - born in Stafford
Any link do you think?
Also foreman giving evidence at an inquest in Bham on Caleb's son in law called Cresswell in 1910.
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Geen - Glamorgan/Devon/Birmingham Lewis - Glamorgan/Monmouthshire Cutter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire Hunter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire Siveter/Siviter - Birmingham Census infromation is Crown Copyright, from " http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk" |
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John Whysall
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I feel that Caleb Cresswell Siviter is worthy of a separate thread, probably in the Staffordshire or Warwickshire forums. To my (limited) knowledge, the Siviters (and variants of the name) are almost entirely based in the West Midlands.
For what it is worth, a Caleb Cresswell Siviter’s marriage is listed by the Records Office at Folio 6d, page 565, and included on www.freebmd.org. The marriage is in the second [June] quarter of 1890. There is a birth of another Caleb Cresswell Siviter, also at Aston, in 6d.364, and also on freebmd. Unfortunately, the records for Stafford are still a long way from complete on freebmd. Note the Siviters belong to Aston, Birmingham, not the Aston, near Sheffield, which is relevant to Beverley’s thread.
May I be permitted to summarise what I know and believe about Beverley’s original question?
The obituary notice from Hannah’s prayer-book (on the web in its authentic glory at http://www.pentrich.org.uk/html/cresswell.walters.html) is, for me, the clinching argument.
My great-grandfather was John Whysall. Date of birth is 1843. The 1881 census tells me his wife is Mary, and we know her maiden name to have been Cresswell, born 1844. This is Mary, daughter of Francis and Susannah Cresswell, and sister of Beverley’s James (both christened June 1837, a date from Beverley’s research). These double-christenings (Anglican and Non-Conformist) cause me real problems. Then, there are some pieces of circumstantial evidence which collaborate the relationship:
1. The same birthplace (Denby, Derbyshire);
2. John and Mary Whysall’s first two children are named "Frank" (born 1859, and, I now discover, officially Francis) and Susannah (born 1863, named as "Susana" in the 1881 census, but see below).
3. The Cresswells and the Walters/Cresswells were well acquainted: by 1881 they are living in the same row of cottages (which means working at the same colliery); and Hannah’s obituary shows "cousinage" to the Coundleys and to German Whysall (my great-uncle). Aston Terrace was rows of housing built by The Stavely Coal and Iron Company after the Aston Colliery (more commonly known by its locality as North Stavely Colliery) was sunk in 1864. John Whysall and his family seem to have moved there from Waingroves after 1874.
4. I suspect the obituary misprinted "Coundley" for "Cownley". I have Susannah [sic] Whysall's wedding lines. On 2 June 1884, at All Saints, Aston, aged 21, a spinster and dress-maker, she married James Cownley, aged 24, a miner. Both give Aston Terrace as their addresses. The witnesses are Francis Whysall and Sarah Whysall. James Cownley's father is also named James. In the 1881 census, it is twenty houses from the Whysalls to the Cownleys. The Walters family are sixteen addresses further on.
For me, this is conclusive. As Hannah and her family accepted the relationship with the Whysalls and Cownley’s, the link has to be through James. Therefore, James is Hannah’s ancestor.
Now the problem for me is to certify the link through William Whysall, recorded father of John, to a well-established genealogy. That, like Caleb Cresswell Siviter, is another story.
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Beverley Nicholson
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Hello everyone, and happy summer! Hope you are all well and staying cool.
Well, its official- my "cousin" in Australia sent me a copy of the 1861 Census of Derbyshire RG9/2513 Belper-Ripley Dist 14, Pentrich.
Hannah Cresswell (my gggrandmother) is the daughter of James Cresswell, brickmaker. She is listed as 9 years old in 1861 , the youngest of 3 children. Her father, James, is listed as 46 and her mother, Sarah is 47. Siblings include James (15)- coal miner and Francis (11)- coal miner- poor kid.
Following this line today, I am now into Browns and Horsleys as well.
Hope to hear from you again, and maybe someone has some insight into William Horsley, b 1690 in Derbyshire.
Have a good week!
Bev
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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John Whysall
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Keen-eyed rootschatters will recognise that I have had to amend some key aspects of my personal genealogy, included in my postings to this thread. This in no way alters the main thrust of the Cresswell argument.
I apologise for making a couple of key errors (and not wrestling the 1841 Census into full comprehension).
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