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Topic: CRESSWELL look up please (Read 11956 times)
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Beverley Nicholson
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Dear "Spendlove"
Thanks so much- you are so sweet to do this for me. Wish there were something I could research for you in Rhode Island; please let me know if there is.
I have spent the whole day looking and re- editing this stuff. I've totally deleted Joseph Cresswell- but did keep a hard copy of what I thought was the correct research- just incase! Not knowing where these little villages are makes it difficult to grasp. I do know that supposedly Hannah was ashamed of her pregnancy (married in Feb and delivered in April 1878), but I have no reference other than "heresay" for that. Her obit says though, that she lived for 60 years in this Swallownest. Is this near Bradford? Do you know of any old map that could identify and show me these places?
In between researching this, I am re-reading DH Lawerence- Of Sons and Lovers- just to get into the ambiance of it all- LOL.
Bev
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Beverley Nicholson
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Dear Meriel,
Thanks for your kind offer to look up Hannah's birth. I am basically looking to see whether her father was James or Joseph. (and any siblings etc.) She was born on February 18, 1853 in Denby, married Henry Walters in Codnor on February 9, 1878, and had my great grandmother, Sarah, 2 months later on Arpil 1, 1878.
Thanks again for helping me and many thanks for the map. Town names etc. are now in a little better mind set for me. Its hard to see across the Atlantic!
Sincerely,
Bev
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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spendlove
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Hi Bev,
Visited local library at Belper today, searched the 1861 Census
RG9/2508 to 1510 which includes Horsley, Morley, Smalley, Mapperley,
Kilburn, Horsley Woodhouse, Holbrook, Denby
NO LUCK.
On the 1871 Census RG 10/3581 Pg 19 Item 21 I found the following:
DENBY
Cresswell Joseph Head M 40 Coal Miner Denby
" Sarah Ann Wife M 44 "
" George Son U 20 " Horsley Woodhouse
" Joseph Son U 5 Scholar " "
HUNT Mary Ann Dau U 24 Servant " "
Is this the family, but Hannah aged abt. 18 is away working? Possibly
in Ripley which is where she appears to be in 1877?
It would also appear that Sarah Ann has been married before.
Have looked for a Mary A Hunt on IGI, no bpts. but there is an entry which indicated her father was James Hunt mother Sarah Ann Riley.
Sorry my local Library do not hold any Ripley Census films.
Have you considered an appeal in Ripley & Heanor News and their sister paper Belper News, www.ripleytoday.co.uk/contactUs.aspx
Coal Miners moved from pit to pit to get work, so it is not unusual for them not to be in the place where they were born.
In 1871 living next door RG10 3581 Pg. 19 Item 22 are
CRESSWELL Joseph Head M 77 Retired Miner Denby
" Sarah Wife M 70 - Crich
May be the parents of Joseph.
Spendlove
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Beverley Nicholson
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Dear "Spendlove"
It would appear that this is the family- IF Joseph was her father. I originally thought he was, but on her marriage license, she states that James is her father.
Hannah was 25 when she became pregnant and married Henry Walters.
I wonder if she was married before- I've never heard anything like that, but who knows? Twenty five is rather old to have a first child back in those days, is it not?
Unfortunately, I dont know if Hannah had any siblings. The people listed in her obit are all her own children and grandchildren.
Did I send you my gedcom? Would you want to look at it?
Oh, I sent in an inquiry to the newspaper- thanks for the idea.
Have a nice evening, and I hope to hear from you soon.
Bev
PS The English rain is headed this way for the rest of the week. What a lovely sunny day it was today! 
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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Beverley Nicholson
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Hi Meriel,
That, I am not sure; I apologize. I am very festidiouis about citing sources etc. and I have very little on this one. When I saw the marriage record of Henry and Hannah, she listed her father as James Cresswell which threw me all off!
Coincidently, Hannah's mother's name is Sarah Ann. Hannah names her first born Sarah Ann.
I apologize - I've searched through my hard copy data looking for references and have found nothing. Hummmmmm- maybe a little mouse typed it into my computer data base. 
Thanks again for offering to help me with this. It will be very interesting to see what you come up with. In the meantime, I see where rootschat offers a polling inquiry. I was thinking of putting up a poll that says, "Who is Hannah's father" option 1 James option 2 Joseph...
The winner gets the little mouse that lives in my computer!
Have a nice day, Meriel and I will talk to you soon.
Bev
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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Beverley Nicholson
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LOOK WHO IS IN DENBY SUNDAY SCHOOL-
From: "michael spencer" <mike@decc9.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 06:23:49 EDT
To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [DBY] DENBY SUNDAY SCHOOL 1872
Hi list,
the following Teachers and girls attended the Sunday School at Denby
in 1872 (Jul 16th )
TEACHERS
F M STENSON
Sarah WOODHOUSE
Agnes LAND
Ann PALFREYMAN
Louisa STRELLEY
Elizabeth WESTON
BIBLE CLASS
Agnes ABEL
Matilda BROWN
Alice CRESSWELL
Jemima CRESSWELL
Sarah BROWN New Row
Sarah Ellen BROWN
Mary Ann CRESSWELL
Mary BROWN Bottle Bk
Mary BROWN (Williams)
Elizb WESTONS(john )
Mary Ann SMITH
Eliza ORME
Maria BROWN (Charles)
TESTAMENT CLASS
Ann BROWN
Jemima ANNABLE
Hannah CRESSWELL
Alice PALFREYMAN
Emily BROWN
Mary Ann BRIGGS
Mary CRESSWELL
Elizabeth BROWN
more to follow.
mike
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AND SO THE HUNT GOES ON!
Happy Weekend everyone!
Bev
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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spendlove
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Hi Bev,
Your Cresswell search is bugging me, I will also take to the bottle. Decided to
look at this another way.
You have a Mary Ann Hunt living with Joseph & Sarah Ann Cresswell 1871 Census,shown as daughter.
I have found her 1851 Census HO 107/2144 Horsley Woodhouse Folio 307 sch. 18:-
Crooks Joseph Head Widower 54 Nail Maker Horsley Woodhouse
Hunt Ann Servant " 24 Denby
" Mary Ann Dau of Servant 4 Horsley Woodhouse
Mary Ann Hunt, Birth Registaration Belper December Q 1846 Vol 19 Pg.426
If you compare these details with those I sent for 1871, Ann Hunt and dau Mary Ann Hunt, are now living with Joseph Cresswell Ann has also added Sarah to her name. So Sarah Ann has been married before.
There is an item on IGI, not confirmed by register entries, that Sarah Ann was a Riley before her first marriage.
1841 Census Denby H0 107/188/12 FOLIO 25
Riley ?(cannot read) 40 coal miner Derbyshire
" Hannah 40 - Not born Derbyshire
" Sarah 15 Cotton Framework Derbys
In this census only, being listed as age 15 ment you could be between 15 & 20 years of age. Is this Sarah Ann? would have been about the correct age for the 1851 census (ann) above.
Joseph Cresswell appears on the Census Returns as follows:-
1851 H) 107/2144 Folio 432 Sch. 25
Cresswell Joseph Head M 57 Coal Miner Derby
" Sarah Wife M 50 - Crich
" ** Joseph Son u 19 Denby
" Robert Son u 17 "
" George son 11 Scholar "
" Mathew son 9 " "
1861 RG9/2508 Folio 135 Sch 26 Denby
Church Street
Cresswell Joseph Head m 67 Coal Miner Denby
" Sarah Wife m 60 - Crich
" ** Joseph so n u 30 'Sinker' coal miner Denby
" Mathew son u 19 Coal Miner "
Robert & George are now married ( I have their entries if you think this is your family)
By the next census 1871 Sarah Ann and Joseph are living together. It would appear that they married after 1861, they may not have married until much later or never married.
In the 1841 Census of Horsley Woodhouse there is
Hunt James 45
" Elizabeth 50
" James 20 (could have been aged 20 - 25years)
" Elizabeth 8
Did this James Hunt marry Ann or Sarah or Sarah Ann Riley?, had a Daughter Mary Ann Hunt, died or left (is this why Sarah Ann did not get married when you thought she had) Sarah Ann Hunt then married Joseph Cresswell.
Hannah was born 1853 but was her father James Hunt?
Think you need a request for James, Sarah Ann & Mary Ann Hunt on 1861 Census
possibly Ripley or Pentrich.
This is very complicated, but it would explain why you are having problems.
Could not think of any other way of doing this. Please read and re-read to understand.
Spendlove
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Beverley Nicholson
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Dear "Spendlove"
I am printing your hypothesis as I write this and will sit and review what you have surmised and get back to you. I must say, this is going to be a challenge- even for a reading/literacy teacher!!!
Thanks,
Bev
and:
Dear Trystan (list monitor),
I am still not getting email notifications of postings to this list. I happened to find this myself without any notice via email. Could you please check into this again?
Thanks,
Bev 
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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Beverley Nicholson
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Dear "Spendlove",
OK- the "teacher" part of me has been hard at work. What I think you are saying is that Hannah Cresswell is possilby Hannah Hunt (daughter of James Hunt) and that her biological father somehow left the family and her mother aka Sarah, Ann, and sometimes Sarah Ann, later lived with, and eventually married Joseph Cresswell.
Am I right?
The question now is, as you say, to check the 1861 census for this family. In the 1871 census, you found Sarah/Ann/ Sarah Ann age 24 living as a servant w/ Joseph Crooks (a widower age 54) along w/ her 4 year old daughter, Mary Ann. Hannah, of course hadnt been born yet. The question is, where was JAMES HUNT at this time?? If he was dead, then he could not have been Hannah's father, because she was not born for two years later.
Now, in America, this makes for a great story line...lol- Hollywood would definitely have this old widower man, Joseph Crooks as having a relationship with his young servant lady, Ann/Sarah/SarahAnn.
But for some reason, Hannah lists James as her father on her marriage licence. Where is he in 1871? Has he died or left his wife and young daughter. Did he reunite w/ his wife and have Hannah 2 years later???
Oh, what a story this could be for the soap operas!
Yes, you are correct, I need to find the 1861 census. In the little hymnal/devotion book that I have of Hannah's she writes on the inside cover; H Cresswell Ripley 1877.
Can you get a gedcom? Also, I'd love to take a digital photo of this little book and send it to you. If you would like me to do this, please email me your email address. My address is BConde@cox.net.
Thanks, and have a nice week!
Bev 
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NICHOLSON- Cheshire England and Dundee, Scotland. Also Wright, Marlor, Redman, France, Walters, Crresswell, Stephenson, Crossland, Watson- ENGLAND Crammond, Keith, Crighton, Haggart, Mill, McKenzie, Crocat, Farquharson, Kea - SCOTLAND Derrigg, Moran- IRELAND SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME RESEARCH!! |
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Beverley Nicholson
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Dear Spendlove and everyone,
I posted your suggested census query on a Derbyshire list at rootsweb.com and here is the reply:
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From: "Helen & David Hall ntl" <helenhall7@ntlworld.com>
Date: 2004/07/14 Wed AM 03:15:26 EDT
To: "Beverly Nicholson-Conde" <bconde@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [DBY] 1861 CENSUS LOOK UP
Hello Beverly,
The only HUNTs I could find in the 1861 Census in Pentrich = RG9 Piece 2513
folios 63-75 was this family :-
folio 63 page 1 Sch.1 : Pentrich Lane
Hezekiah Hunt, Head, Mar, 36, Coal Miner, Nottinghamshire Eastwood
Jemima Hunt, Wife, 31, -, Derbysghire Belper
Hannah Hunt, Daur, -, 12, Works at Cotton Factory, do Ripley
Joseph Hunt, Son, -, 10, Works at Coal Pit, do Ripley
Lucy Hunt, Daur, -, 8, -, do Ripley
Ann Hunt, Daur, -, 4, -, do Pentrich
Eliza Hunt, Daur, -, 1, -, do Pentrich
Issac Hunt, Son, -, 1 mo, -, do Pentrich
Also at Pentrich at Sch.40 on folio 66 page 8 is an Emanuel HUNT, Servant,
Un, 22, Waggoner, born Derbyshire Crich, living in the household of John
DANNAH , Farmer of 101 acres.
Good hunting ... David Hall in Littleover, Derby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beverly Nicholson-Conde" <bconde@cox.net>
To: <DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:41 AM
Subject: [DBY] 1861 CENSUS LOOK UP
> Hello,
I am wondering if someone would kindly look up James Hunt,his wife
Sarah(aka Ann and also Sarah Ann) and daughter Mary Ann Hunt in the 1861
Census possibly in Ripley of Pentrich.
> Thanks in advance.
> Beverly in Rhode Island
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Doesnt this prove that Sarah Ann/Riley was married first to James Hunt then to Joseph Cresswell?
Hannah was born in 1853- goes by Cresswell, but gives James (Hunt) as her biological father.
Individual Record FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File
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Sarah Ann Riley Compact Disc #36 Pin #98366
Sex: F
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Event(s):
Birth: abt 1827 Place: Horsley Sub,Derbys,England
Burial: 23 Jul 1882 Place: Denby,Derbys,Eng
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Marriage(s):
Spouse: James Hunt sawyer Disc #36 Pin #98355
Marriage: abt 1844 Place: ,,Derbys,Eng
Spouse: Joseph Cresswell Disc #36 Pin #98340
Marriage: 2 Nov 1865 Place: Wes Meth,Belper,Derbys,Eng
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Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 36
Sources: None
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Ina H. TUFT
Box 468 53 N 100 W Monroe, Utah, 84754
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Submission Search: 1224412-0922101211337
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CD-ROM: Pedigree Resource File - Compact Disc #36
CD-ROM Features: Pedigree View, Family View, Individual View, Reports, Downloadable GEDCOM files, Notes and Sources.
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Hi Beverley,
I saw your request in the Ripley and Heanor News on Friday last (I was reading someone elses paper so I hope I've remembered everything) and have been having a look round. Swallownest is about 25 miles north of Ripley and is situated in South Yorkshire to the east of Sheffield. Quite a lot of people from the Ripley area ended up in the area mainly in the mining industry. You may already have this information but in the 1901 census Henry and Hannah were in the Parish of Aston with Aughton (or Aston cum Aughton) which may cover Swallownest. Henry is described as a miner, aged 48, born Nottingham, Hannah, 47, shown born Derby, but this could be a transcription error. Children appear to be Alice, aged 15, born Waingroves, James aged 9, born Swallownest, and Jemima aged 13, also born Waingroves, a village near to Ripley.
There were members of the Whysall family living at Aston in 1901 and I suspect the one mentioned in the obit, G Whysall is one German Whysall. The Cresswells and Walters families abound in the Ripley/Heanor areas as do the Whysalls and I have connections through marriage recorded to my mothers family, the Hardys, at Heanor. I haven't yet established a link with yours but I'll keep looking. I hope this little bit helps. I live at Alfreton in Derbyshire, only about 3 miles from Ripley, so if you think I can help don't hesitate to ask. I can be contacted direct on ajrayson@tiscali.co.uk
Best wishes
John Rayson
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