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Topic: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley (Read 463 times)
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KathyM
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tHERE IS A MARRIAGE LISTED FOR
SQUIRE SUTCLIFFE - DECEMBER QUARTER 1865 at HUDDERSFIELD 9a 475
However, under HARTLEY there is no corresponding ref. no. that I can see.
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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mirl
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I found the following entry in the England 1871 census RG10/4371 Folio 81 p33
Cowcliffe Lane Huddersfield
Squire Sutcliffe Head Mar 28
Ellen Sutcliffe Wife Mar 23
Martha Sutcliffe Dau Unm 4
Harry Sutcliffe Son Unm 2
Sam Sutcliffe Son Unm 2mths
This at least suggests that Squire Sutcliffe married an Ellen, and the GRO reference of Dec 1865 accounts for the age of the children.
I would apply for the marriage certificate again and leave the spouse field blank. I know this is a risk, but it may be that she is shown as say Elizabeth Ellen, or the handwriting may not be clear enough for some-one to read Hartley.
Good luck, Colin
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KathyM
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Death certificates shown only the name 'at death'......which can be frustrating, especially if the wife re-married after her husbands death.
Why did you think she was Ellen HARTLEY?
Were you going from one of the children's birth certificates ?
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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JudyAnne
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Hi Mama
I've a few suggestions for you which are a bit a bit far-fetched but it's funny how something you've dismissed as improbable turns out to be correct.
1. What if Ellen Hartley married Mr. Berry who died and then married Squire Sutcliffe which would explain the different name on the certificate. Her name should have been given as Berry, formerly Hartley and she should be described as widow but I don't know how carefully things were recorded.
(I can't find a record of a Hartley/Berry marriage on FreeBMD and, if her age is correct on the 1871 census, she must have been married very young and for a very short time!)
2. Assuming she was Ellen Berry and that she and your grandfather outlived Squire, could she have re-married and her new name (Hartley) have been shown on his death certificate? It sounded as if you didn't know when she died so you won't know what name was on her death certificate. It may be worth searching for a marriage after 1910.
3. You say you were told that she married Squire Sutcliffe - could your informant have been muddled? FreeBMD shows that an Ellen Hartley married either John Sutcliffe or James Hartley in the 1st qtr of 1861 in Skipton (GRO ref 9a 61) It could mean that both John and Squire Sutcliffe married Ellen's and your informant got them the wrong way round. It's more likely to be a red herring! Is there a John Sutcliffe in your tree?
I hope this helps
Jud
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KathyM
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In the index of BMD's - 1837online - it shows her death - Sept quarter 1924
Sutcliffe Ellen aged 77 Huddersfield Vol 9a Page 307
(There is no way of getting the death certificate information without applying for a copy.)
If you knew where she was buried, it may be possible to find a record from the Church or cemetery.
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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KathyM
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I have just checked ther marriage index - and there is an entry for
Ellen Berry Dec quarter 1865 at Huddersfield 9a 475.
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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KathyM
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You need to order the certificate to discover his mother's maiden name -
looking on the index - there is a Henry Sutcliffe born Dec quarter 1869 in Huddersfield Vol 9a Page 287
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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