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KathyM
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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 08:26 GMT (UK) »

Sorry it was the wrong one -

but there are no other's for that quarter....

How are you so sure of his date of birth ?

There is a birth reg. in the previous quarter -

Sept quarter 1869 - Harry Sutcliffe  Huddersfield  9a 327


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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 22:08 GMT (UK) »

That date was given to me by a relative and I don't know how I can verify it other than getting his certificate.  Any suggestions?  I know that his father was Squire Abraham Sutcliffe and mother was Ellen.
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Botfield (Bethnal Green) Feltham (Corton Wilts) Shaw Sutcliffe (Huddersfield) Larsen(Morup Swed.)
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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 23:39 GMT (UK) »

Hi all

I don't know if this will be any help but I have been trying to trace this family through the various census and notice that the male children of Squire and Ellen always used the names Harry, Sam and Joe and Tom as opposed to Henry, Samuel etc., which makes me think the birth record above for Harry is probably the correct one as opposed to Henry.

Tried to find birth details for the other children but there are too many within the timescales except for Sam.  As Sam was only 2 months old in 1871 you can get a definite fix on his birth year.  I think this may be his birth record:

March Q 1871 Huddersfield - Sam Sutcliffe Vol 9a Page 361

On Harry Suttcliffe's death certificate does it give a relationship for Ellen Hartley?

On the marriage cert you have for Squire is his father's name and occupation correct?

Checked the 1861 census for Ellen Hartley born Leeds, 5 years either side of Squire's age and couldn't  find a match but did find a Ellen Berry b Leeds 1848 which ties in with Ellen Sutcliffe's age.

Just trying to think on a different track.

Best of luck.

Sheila

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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 05 January 06 03:41 GMT (UK) »

Thankyou for your reply. Yes Harry's Death Cert. sites Ellen Hartley as his mother However Squire Abraham married Ellen Berry in Huddersfield Dec. 1865.  I have a copy of their Marriage cert. in 1865 Dec. Qtr. I applied for it to try and find who his mother was. "The Squire" was raised by his Grandmother and I rather suspect that his mother was Mary Wood but haven't found out when he became Sutcliffe.
I think that this is your man in 1861.(Someone in Rootsweb kindly looked this up.

RG9/3260    Huddersfield     Kirkheaton  Folio    33
Dalton.

Mary Wood     abt 1781     Upperheaton, Yorkshire, England     Head     
Squire A S Wood    abt 1843    Deighton, Yorkshire, England    Grandson   
Oldfield Wood    8y? abt 1853    Dalton, Yorkshire, England    Grandson.
On his tombstone it says that he was born in Lindley and that concurs with the 1871 census.
A bit of a mystery!
Mama
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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 05 January 06 09:14 GMT (UK) »

This is the family in 1851 - HO107/2294
at Greenside, Kirkheaton

Mary WOOD   Head   70   widow   domestic   B: Kirkheaton
Richard WOOD son 30  son Unm   hand loom 'vesting?' weaver B:Kirkheaton
Nanny WOOD   dau   31  dau  Unm   at home - domestic  B: Kirkheaton
Squire WOOD SUTCLIFFE  8   grandson   day scholar   B: Deighton
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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #20 on: Monday 09 January 06 04:29 GMT (UK) »

Kathy Thankyou.
Firstly I was given the wrong date by a relative.  On his Cemetary details he died on 23.6.1930 aged 61.  There is a possibility that he was born in 1868.  Are you able to find  Harry Sutcliffe in the second half of 1868 or is that too much trouble.  I know the boys only had one name each and they were Harry Tom and Joe.  I think Sam must have died young as he was not mentioned on 1881 census.  There seemed to be a few years between Harry and Joe etc.  Perhaps something happened to Ellen "Berry" at that time but it would be a great co-incidence that he married another "Ellen".
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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #21 on: Monday 09 January 06 08:38 GMT (UK) »

Is there any way that his date of birth could have been confused by an american style of writing the date....

7th December 1869 7/12/69  or in USA 12/7/69 ?? (12th July in GB)

Apart from the birth reg. in Sept. q. 1869 - Huddersfield 9a 287

I have checked the index from Mid 1868 -
the only Harry's

Sept. q. 1868  Bramley  9b 368
Sept. q. 1868   Halifax   9a 493
Dec. q. 1868   Bradford Yks.  9b 217

March q. 1869 - none
June q. 1869 - none
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Ardill,  Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg,  Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson,  Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole.

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Re: Marriage Squire Sutcliffe and Ellen Hartley
« Reply #22 on: Monday 09 January 06 21:50 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Kathy I may apply for the one in the September Quarter and after that I give up as it becomes a bit expensive.
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