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Harleychick
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Occupation 1851 census please.
« on: Wednesday 14 September 05 11:23 BST (UK) »

I am looking for the occupation and place of residence, on 1851 census for Derbyshire,of John Cholerton, born Chaddesden around 1820. His wife was called Ann, born either Huntingdonshire, or Beverley (She didn't seem to know for certain) their children at that time were William aged 2 and John about 1.
At the time of his marriage in East Yorks. in 1847 he is entered on the cert.as what looks like "Butler" in Middleton on the Wold, and on the 1861 census he is a waiter, possibly in his brothers pub,in Chaddesden. and on the 1871 census he is a farmer of 4 acres also in Chaddesden.
Any help very welcome.
Many thanks Sheila.
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 September 05 14:34 BST (UK) »

Hello Sheila,

Unfortunately, the full 1851 census has not yet been released on CD ROM, but I have located your family on the name index, if I give you the ref. nos. it may enable a full lookup if anyone is visiting the local records office.

CHOLERTON
John - 35
Ann - 33
William - 2
John - 8m

       (HO107/ 2144/ 204/ 55)

Best of luck,
Sue    Smiley
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 September 05 09:24 BST (UK) »

Thanks Sue,
A big help, and shouldn't be a problem finding them..didn't realise that the full details weren't out yet.
(Love Bagpuss!!!, my 31 year old son has just bought the bagpuss series on DVD!! memories of his childhood) Smiley  Smiley  Smiley
Sheila.
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 September 05 17:31 BST (UK) »

From the 1851 census image

Address: Hazelwood, Derbyshire.
Head: John Cholerton, 35, Butler, Derbyshire, Chaddesden, married.
Wife: Ann Cholerton, 33, Huntingdonshire, Peterborough, married.
Son: William, 2, Derbyshire, Chaddesden.
Son: John Cholerton, 8 months, Derbyshire, Hazelwood.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 September 05 19:20 BST (UK) »

Many many thanks for that, as it confirms he was a Butler, which is rather indistinct on his marriage cert, and his young age acording to some, made him too young to be a Butler, which was usually an older man who had worked his way up through the household..another myth it seems.
I can now start to find where in Middleton in the Wold he worked.
Thankyou once again.
Sheila Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 September 05 19:28 BST (UK) »

I did note that the person next door  was a coach man at Hazelwood, so they may have been part of the same household team, but not shore were Hazelwood Hall ?
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 September 05 13:01 BST (UK) »

Thanks A.l.
It looks like that's were he worked.Hazlewood is near Belper I think, so I will have a search for the Hall on Old Maps website etc and see what I can find.
Thanks for your interest.
Sheila  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 January 07 17:12 GMT (UK) »

The smallholding of John Cholerton was in my family until circa 1950. It was too small to support more than one family so each generation had to wait upon the death of the previous one (Robert 1774-1853) There is a good description of it in the 1910/15 Valuation Office Survey and the accompanying map pinpoints it's precise position in the village. I am John's Gt Gt granddaughter and I understood he had been a page at Chaddesdon Hall, not the butler. His wife's father moved from Hunts. to Yks when Ann was a child. He was a wheelwright John died in 1880. The Cholerton's have been in Chaddesden since the beginning of the Parish Register., probably since Chad had his den there.
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Re: Occupation 1851 census please.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 February 07 15:49 GMT (UK) »

Hello Smithie,
thankyou for the info. I have lots of information on the Cholertons, so have sent you a private message.John was my great great grandfather. Smiley
Sheila.
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