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Topic: Brisbane Marriage Gilmour/Fitzgerald - COMPLETED thank you (Read 340 times)
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AngelaR
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My great grandparents Basil & Sarah Sealey
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I'm trying to trace the Australian branch of my family. Thomas and Sophia Sealey arrived in Queensland in 1874 with their 2 girls, Jane and Mary Ann.
According to the Pioneer's index, which someone kindly looked up for me, Jane married David Paine and Mary Ann married William Pollock Gilmour.
My information about these families and their children runs out in 1906, but I do have a copy of a funeral notice for Thomas Sealey, in which his daughter's name is given as M A Fitzgerald. It looks as if William Gilmour may have died around 1906, so I was wondering if some kind person could trace Mary Ann's remarriage to Mr Fitzgerald some time after then? Were there any more children?
I think the families stayed in and around Brisbane as I have found Thomas, Sophia and Jane's graves listed in the excellent Brisbane Cemetaries web site.
Any addditional advice anyone could give me as to how to find information remotely would be very gratefully received 
I looked at CD-ROMs with BMD indexes on but can't really manage many hundreds (thousands?) of dollars 
Thanks very much for taking the time to read this rather muddled plea for help....
Angela
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« Last Edit: Friday 11 November 05 08:08 GMT (UK) by AngelaR »
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Reggie
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Angela
You stated "Pioneers Index" which has details prior to 1890. There is also the Queensland Federation Index which contains nearly 730,000 entries of births, deaths and marriages registered in Queensland between 1890 and 1914. Do you know if your researcher looked at this index? It may have something. Unfortunately I don't have immediate access to it. IN saying that though it is available at the National Library which I visit once in a while. If you have no success with this posting, PM me and I will have a look next time I am at the Library.
Hope this helps.
Reg
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Johnson: Scotland & Australia
Robertson: Scotland & Australia
Bedford: London, Surrey, Somerset, Kent, Kensington
Ash(e): Ireland, NSW Australia
Tooley: England, NSW Australia
Austen: Surrey (Shalford)
Jackson: Australia - Ulmarra, Cowper
Howard: Australia - Maclean
Reiley: South Bersted, London
O'Reilley: London & Melbourne Australia
Tubb: Berkshire
Paterson: Scotland, NSW Australia
Higginbotham: possibly England, South Australia, NSW
Tooley: London, Sydney Australia
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Reggie
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Angela
I find this site extremely helpful. I have got so much out of it with help from people who assisted me. I think because the site is mainly England is helpful. I find other sites are full of American stuff that people from other countries get in the mire. I can understand your situation being so far away as I have experienced it here in Oz. England is so far away you feel helpless at times. I can try and help you out in gratitude for the help I have received from English people in my research. There is a person at the National Library who is a whiz at delving and digging and knows a lot of short cuts. I hope he is there when I take your details with me.
Brisbane is a little different to NSW. Luckily NSW has a good Index lookup system. However, Queensland doesn't have that except for the Pioneers and Federation Indexes Anyhow we can give it a go. My email is rwjau~yahoo~com~au (Change the squiggly lines to the appropriate convention). Send me as much detail in that email and I will print it out to take with me.
Cheers
Reg
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Johnson: Scotland & Australia
Robertson: Scotland & Australia
Bedford: London, Surrey, Somerset, Kent, Kensington
Ash(e): Ireland, NSW Australia
Tooley: England, NSW Australia
Austen: Surrey (Shalford)
Jackson: Australia - Ulmarra, Cowper
Howard: Australia - Maclean
Reiley: South Bersted, London
O'Reilley: London & Melbourne Australia
Tubb: Berkshire
Paterson: Scotland, NSW Australia
Higginbotham: possibly England, South Australia, NSW
Tooley: London, Sydney Australia
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Cazay
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Angela
Found this site, looks like your Jane Sealey
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gdaven
Don't know the age of Mary Ann but there is an entry for William Gilmour in divorces index for 1890.
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/indexes.asp
Good Luck
Cazay
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEssex; Livermore, Barker Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew Lincs; Drage Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman Lancashire; Brogden, Davis |
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AngelaR
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Hi Reg and Cazay
Thanks very much for your responses - you are very kind to help in this way 
I've also found this site really helpful with other queries I've made, so if either of you want help with anything in Wiltshire or Gloucestershire, please say
Reg - I had noticed that NSW seemd to have a lot more accessible information - typical that my family should have chosen Queensland to go and hide in I really appreciate your offer of help and shall email you with all the info I've got - absolutely anything you can find will be great!
Cazay - I'm sure you're right - that's definitely my Jane Sealey - I shall try and contact the site owners to see if they're interested in swapping any more information. Thanks also for the reference to the divorces index - it never occurred to me to look at that I'm not sure, given the dates, whether it's the same William Gilmour - my researcher said that Mary Ann married William Gilmour in 1884 and the last child with both parents names on was 1890. The next child, in 1906 (which is a huge gap) didn't have a father's name. I suppose that, because there was no divorce in England for the lower classes at that time, I assumed that William had died in 1906. Of course, the truth might be a lot messier  I shall look into getting the record to see if it really is the right one - most interesting....
Thanks again to both of you for your kindness and help
Angela
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sabrina
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I have found a Mary Gilmour married to James Henry Brown in Queensland 14.06.1911. When I go to the library this week, I will have a look at the records to see if I can find out any more about your Mary. They have more modern records.
sabrina
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sabrina
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The Mary Gilmour married to James Henry Brown, appears to be Mary Ellen - per later records.
Did you know that Gerald Patrick was registered 3 times.
1. Gerald Patrick Gilmour b.26.08.1906 in Brisbane Reg.013142 Father William Pollock Gilmour and Mother Mary Ann Sealey.
2. Gerald Patrick Sealey b.26.08.1906 in Qld Reg.013142 Father : ---- Mother: Mary Ann Sealey.
3.Gerald Patrick Fitzgerald b.26.08.1906 in Qld.Reg.013142 Father Patrick Fitzgerald and Mother Mary Ann Sealey.
In doing my family tree, I have found that this usually means that the birth certificate has the three names on it. It meant in our case that the baby was illig. (this was written across the babys name) but named the father, and also named the husband (past or present) and also the mothers maiden name. It probably means that she wasn't married to Fitzgerald when the baby was born. I couldn't find any marriage records for you.
Sabrina
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trish251
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Hi Angela
Just thought I'd mention that most/all of the LDS family centres in Australia have the Qld indexes - often the early ones on CD and the later ones on fiche - sometimes all on fiche. (the fiche take some searching as they are in 4 year groups). Have you checked with your local LDS Centre as to whether they have them, or can get them. You might enjoy browsing through them all. Could be worth a query. I find the cost of buying them exhorbitant - especially as other states have them free online.
I do browse them at my local library - I had thought you had finished tracking the family when you came upon Cazay. Is there anything else you want checked?
Trish
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AngelaR
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Hi Trish
Thanks very much for the mention of the LDS centres - I've never been to one because, when I last looked, they were all a long way away. However, having just checked the main LDS site after your prompt , I now find there's a centre only 15 miles away - must be new I shall go and check it out next week ....
You're right about Cazay - she's unearthed all sorts of stuff about the family and even found a living descendant who we're now in touch with We hadn't got all the details that Sabrina found on Mary Ann's youngest child though, so that was great.
I think I'd better mark this thread as closed now, since we're doing so well, and post a separate query when we get stuck...
This board has been tremendous - people couldn't have been more helpful and supportive, so thanks everyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Angela
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