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Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« on: Saturday 17 September 05 01:05 BST (UK) »

Hi,
Could a kind friend look at the death date for -
Martha Parrett (nee Daniels).  Mother's Maiden name - Hannah Gow. Father John Daniels.

I have always believed it to be 1932, Melbourne.  However, a relative whom I have recently discovered thinks it was 1939, Melbourne.

This same relative has also told me of the remarriage of Alfred Arthur Parrett -(Martha's husband )to -

Julia Rosini Smith.  Mother's Maiden Name Brenchley?
I would very much like a date for this marriage which obviously must post date the Martha death. Thanks to all.  Sue
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Evans: Bermondsey.
Mason: Stepney, Sydney {Aust}
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 September 05 01:14 BST (UK) »

Martha's death

PARRETT  Martha
Father Daniels Jno     Mother Hannah  GOW
Died BTON Age 72
Year 1939  Reg Number 6086

The marriage index only goes to 1942 the second marriage didn't happen before then.

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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 September 05 01:48 BST (UK) »

Thanks Sleat,
That's that sorted!!  Sue
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 September 05 02:31 BST (UK) »

Hi Sue,

As Sleat says the searchable marriages go only to 1942.

In case you don't have them the following might be of interest?
Martha's widower Alfred
*PARRETT Alfd Arthur, father Geo James, mother MASON, died age 84 in 1953 at Fitzroy #2207

Alfred's father?
PARRETT Geo Jas, father Parrett Robert, mother Eliza unknown, died age 82 in 1922 in Richmond #14619

Alfred's second wife
*PARRETT Julia Rosina, father Smith Edward, mother Julia BRENCHLEY, died age 83 in 1969 at Heidelberg #24913

Two of Alfred and Martha's children
*PARRETT George Alfred Ja, father Alfred Arthu, mother Martha DANIELS, died age 79 in 1969 in Burwood #22485
*PARRETT Albert Rupert, father Alfred, mother Martha DANIELS, died age 87 in 1979 at MTMA (possibly Mt Martha) #18650

Two of Martha's sisters:
*DANIELS Jeannie, father Daniels Jno, mother Hannah GOW, died age 67 in 1923 at Brunswick #13746
*DANIELS Mary, father Daniels Jno, mother Hannah GOW, died age 59 in 1934 at Port Melbourne #7020

Do you have the marriage of Martha's parents, Martha's birth, and births and deaths of other siblings in Victoria - there are quite a few?

Certificates can be downloaded (for a fee) at:
http://www.dvc.vic.gov.au/bdm.htm

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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 September 05 03:45 BST (UK) »

Dear Jap,
I am flabergasted!!( I also hope I can spell it)
I did have the 3  children of Martha and Alfed Arthur and the other bits and pieces.
HOWEVER, I never thought to seek out Martha's birth or siblings of Martha or the marriage of her parents which I thought took place in Eng, although, I never had much success with a definite entry.
I do think that Alfred and Martha were married in Castlemaine, NSW.
Are you saying that it is all at bdm?
I am very grateful for your help.

I wonder whether you could offer any advice on this .
Alfred Arthur (according to verbal history) arrived in Adelaide  around 1884 as a stowaway. How do you think he would get Australian citizenship in those days?  Thanks again.  Sue
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Evans: Bermondsey.
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 September 05 04:13 BST (UK) »

Hi again Sue,

From the Pioneer Index:

*John DANIELLS (sic) m Hannah GOW 1856 #2852

They had:
*Jane DANIELS b 1856 Portland #13327R (the 'R' means there has been a change made - in this case it seems she was probably born before the marriage as there is also an entry for Jane GOW, mother Hannah GOW b 1856 Portland with the same ref number)
*Catherine Maria DANIELS b 1858 Portland #7679
*John DANIELS b 1860 CAST (this could be Casterton or Castlemaine but likely to be the latter given other entries) #9964
*Robert DANIELS b 1862 CAST #13431
*Emma DANIELS b 1864 CAST #13939; died age 1 1866 CAST #790
*Martha DANIELS b 1866 CMAINE #13663
*Ralph DANIELS b 1868 The Loddon #22192
*Lillie DANIELS b 1870 CAST #21947; died age 2 weeks in 1871 CAST #526
*Frederick William DANIELS b 1872 CAST #1248
*Mary DANIELS b 1875 CAST #7665
*Hannah DANIELS b 1879 Loddon #21805
There's also
*Ak DANIELS died age 14 in 1886 CMAINE #751 - given the age this is probably a mistranscription of Frederick.

*Hannah DANIELS, father Gow Robt, mother unknown, died age 70 in Castlemaine in 1907 #11635
(There's a Hannah GOW, father Robert in the IGI b 1837 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland - wonder if that's Hannah!)

Well, I think that's enough for now.  Do you have access to the Victorian CD indexes?  If you are near an LDS FHC in Australia, they normally have them.

Incidentally, there wouldn't have been any such thing as Australian citizenship in 1884 (federation not having happened until 1901).  Before that places such as SA, NSW and Vic were colonies of Great Britain.  And Victoria, until separation was approved in 1850, was part of NSW.

Regards,

JAP
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 September 05 04:49 BST (UK) »

Hi again Jap, 
wonderful information.   A whole new branch has opened up.

I don't know why I didn't think of your reflections on the citizenship issue.  Of course that would be the case.  Many thanks. Sue
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 September 05 04:52 BST (UK) »

And again Sue,

This is possibly Hannah and family arriving in 1854 on the 'Indian Ocean'.

From the PROV Assisted Immigrants online database

Robert GOW 43 Book 10 Page 359
Jane GOW 39 Do
Peter GOW 19 Book 10 Page 368
Hannah GOW 16 Do
Lilly GOW 14 DO

Further details will be availabe from the fiche.

Cheers,

JAP
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 September 05 05:10 BST (UK) »

Dear Jap,
I am flabergasted!!( I also hope I can spell it)
I did have the 3  children of Martha and Alfed Arthur and the other bits and pieces.
 HOWEVER, I never thought to seek out Martha's birth or siblings of Martha or the marriage of her parents which I thought took place in Eng, although, I never had much success with a definite entry.
I do think that Alfred and Martha were married in Castlemaine, NSW.
Are you saying that it is all at bdm?
I am very grateful for your help.

Hi sparrett

Castlemaine is in Victoria
Their marriage took place in 1889 Ref: 3471
Alfred birthplace is given as London.

Cheers
Genni


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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 September 05 05:19 BST (UK) »

Hi Genni,

I think I am having a clear case of too much excitment.  Of course Castlemaine is here in Vic. and I can't believe I thought otherwise.  A senior lapse perhaps.  Thanks for your snippet.  Sue   
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 17 September 05 05:31 BST (UK) »

Hi Jap , This is the 2nd time I have typed and posted this reply to you.  I think here are problems since the upgrade of this site because things get posted, but never appear on the board and are lost.

BUT - I wanted to say that this is certainly Hannah arriving and that I think you are amazing!!!!

I note the name Lily.  This was the name of the 3rd child of Alfred and Martha(after the boys you noted) and I see she had an aunt and a baby sister(dec) of that name.  A million thanks. Sue

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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 September 05 05:37 BST (UK) »

Can't leave it alone ...

Possible deaths of Robert and Jane in Victoria.
*GOW Robert, born Scotland, died age 57 in 1867 #5297
*GOW Jane, born Scotland, died age 60 in 1880 #3712

Possible marriage of Lilly GOW in Victoria.
*Lillias GOW m John KNOX 1859 #2650

They had in Victoria:
*Mary KNOX (mother listed as Lilly GOW) b 1860 in BRID #3724
*Hannah KNOX (mother listed as Lilly GOW) b 1861 in Ballarat #21021

Perhaps Jane was Robert's second wife?.

From the IGI.

*A Robert GOW m Hannah ROBERTSON, 9 Dec 1827, Cargill Perth
Do Kinclaven Perth (presumably banns posted in both bride's and groom's parishes)
A Robert Gow and a Hannah ROBERTSON had:
*Peter 1834 Perth Perth
*Ann 1836 Dundee Angus
*Hannah 1837 Dundee Angus
*Lilias 1840 Dundee Angus

A Robert GOW m a Jean PATTERSON 1844 Dundee Angus

Regards,

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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 17 September 05 05:41 BST (UK) »

Hi again Sue,

Nothing amazing - just very routine searching with the search capacities available.

I'm glad Genni found the marriage.

Genni, are there any births of children to Alfred and Martha in that Federation period?

Cheers,

Judy   
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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 17 September 05 05:58 BST (UK) »

3 kids to Alfred and Martha in Fed period

PARRETT  Albert Rupert
Father: Alf Arth  Mother: Martha DANIELS
Birth Place: FITZROY SOUTH
Year: 1891
Reg. Number: 33036

PARRETT  Geo Alf Jas
Father: Alf Arth  Mother: Martha DANIELS
Birth Place: CLIFTON HILL
Year: 1890
Reg. Number: 11406

PARRETT  Lily Aileen
Father: Alfd Arth    Mother: Martha DANIELLS
Birth Place: FITZROY SOUTH
Year: 1894
Reg. Number: 3306

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Re: Parrett.Wife dies, new one taken.1932+
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 17 September 05 07:10 BST (UK) »

Dear Jap  and Sleat
Everything you have found appears very likely indeed.  We seem to have got a long way back in genealogical history in a short afternoon! It looks as if all the dates are within a reasonable closeness to be probable.

Yes I think it looks as if the children of the Gow family may have had a mother not Jane and there is enough time space between Peter and Hannah to allow for Ann's birth in 1836, though she is not shown with them on the ship.

Also, Lillias is an odd name isn't it?  I have not heard it before at all so not likely a co-incidence of names.

A family Knox were and are well-known land-owners and graziers in rural Vic.  I wonder if same family.  She was a young bride.

What a wonderful afternoon. Thanks to you both . Sue 
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