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Re: Have one year old, unnamed,unbaptised boy enumerated in 1851 census
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 22 September 05 17:37 BST (UK) »

GEN10,

Have to disagree!  Sorry!

If the word were married (or an abbreviation thereof), the obvious thing to do would be to alter the 'U' entry in the (next) marital status column!

A scoring through usually applies to something which might well be of interest to us as genealogists but which is not supposed to be recorded in the relevant column in the census e.g. Pauper after "Widow' in the marital status column (as has very clearly been scored through for Elizabeth) or (possibly) Pauper in the relationship column (as has much less clearly been scored through for Mary).

I am confident that the word is 'Pauper' - but, of course, I cannot be not absolutely certain.

But do note that the scribing of the first letter is definitely nothing like the scribing of the 'M' in Mary, Masson or Margaret ...

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Re: Have one year old, unnamed,unbaptised boy enumerated in 1851 census
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 22 September 05 17:47 BST (UK) »

Hi

Also appears the Enumerator has crossed through Marys age and written a 3 above........and I think the word "grand" was added, possibly later, by someone else and grandson then crossed out in the rank, profession, occupation column.

If the word is "pauper" why not against Catherine as well ?



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Banffshire/Morayshire : Farquharson + Gordon + Grant + Lamb + Lawson + Stewart/Stuart

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 22 September 05 18:00 BST (UK) »

Hi
Also appears the Enumerator has crossed through Marys age and written a 3 above........
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Ysabeau

I hadn't noticed that (mea culpa) but actually it seems to have been scored through by the enumerator (not someone else as per the other markings) and it is 31 (not 3) which is written above the initial (crossed through) entry of 26.  Which would be entirely appropriate if Mary is the one bap Sept 1819.

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PS: While Pauper shouldn't have been entered in the marital status column (for Elizabeth) or relationship column (for Mary), it would have a definite meaning i.e. supported by the parish.  So perhaps Elizabeth and Mary were supported by the parish but Catherine was not (perhaps because the fathers of her children acknowledged responsibility and provided - either voluntarily or were made to provide - support for her and the child each had fathered; Kirk Session records or Poor Law records might help?)
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Re: Have one year old, unnamed,unbaptised boy enumerated in 1851 census
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 22 September 05 19:23 BST (UK) »

Hi Girls,
I think the squiggle after daughter, is,
in law, and he then realised that in fact, she was "daughter"
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« Reply #19 on: Monday 24 October 05 14:39 BST (UK) »

Hi

Received a note from ANESFHS this morning, the entire parish of Leochel was checked, but there was no Mary Williams, aged 42 years, enumerated in 1861 census.

In 1861, younger sister Catherine, aged 37 years, with her two children George and Margaret, were @ Kirkton, Leochel. She married George Mitchell the following year and died in 1864.



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Banffshire/Morayshire : Farquharson + Gordon + Grant + Lamb + Lawson + Stewart/Stuart

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Re: Have one year old, unnamed,unbaptised boy enumerated in 1851 census
« Reply #20 on: Monday 24 October 05 15:02 BST (UK) »

Hi Ysabeau,

So by 1861 mother Elizabeth has died in 1859, and daughter Catherine WILLIAMS is with her two children George and Margaret (presumably George MASSON and Margaret BRUCE).  That leaves daughter Mary WILLIAMS, grandson William REID and the unbaptized grandson.

I'm not clear whether you know anything more about any of them but I guess one or even all might not have survived until 1861?  And might Mary's age have been wrongly recorded (was there any Mary WILLIAMS in the 1861 census) or might she have married by 1861.  And what about William REID - do you have him in 1861?

Sorry if I've missed something ...

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Unnamed,unbaptised boy in 1851 census - updated
« Reply #21 on: Monday 24 October 05 16:22 BST (UK) »

Hi

Subsequently found Mary Williams and son William Reid in 1871 census @ Auchindoir. William is enumerated as "imbecile".
Mary died in 1872 of scrofulous - which I understand is a form of TB - and William was with the Law family in 1881 census.
He died in 1924 @ Lumsden, Auchindoir.....death registered by Letitia Law, who if the same person was aged 5 years in 1881.

Will go back to ANESFHS re 1861 census lookup @ Auchindoir and hope other son is still with mother and brother

Found Mary Williams and son William Reid together in 1861 census @ Auchindoir.



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« Last Edit: Tuesday 25 October 05 21:18 BST (UK) by ysabeau » Logged

Aberdeenshire : Anderson + Baxter + Bruce + Dickson + Emslie + Hendry + Hunter + Laing + Lawson + Maitland + Reid + Robb + Walker + Watt + Williams

Banffshire/Morayshire : Farquharson + Gordon + Grant + Lamb + Lawson + Stewart/Stuart

www.kildrummyfamilies.co.uk

Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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