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tazzie
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Hi
I am trying to trace the movements of an ancestor between 1840 to 1850. They were said to have travelled into America after arriving in Canada. Does anyone know which would be the main points of entry around these dates this could help start the trail that leads to Nebraska.
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Tazzie
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tazzie
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Thanks Karen
Will have a good look .
Tazzie
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Sarah Page born Chilham Kent 1836 who are parents?
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Hi Tazzie
It depends where in USA they ended up --- they may have come in to an Eastern port or they could as well have gone up the river to Quebec or Montreal. Can you give us more clues - for eg when is the first time you have them in USA -- and where? There might be census records you can check in Canada but I need more info from you.
Just in case this helps, here's the scoop on Canadian Immigration. There are no comprehensive lists of immigrants arriving in Canada prior to 1865. Until that year, shipping companies
were not required by the government to keep their passenger manifests.
You might find an ancestor in correspondence of the Secretary of State on immigration for 1817-1857. There are lists of immigrants, mainly Irish, and entry books re immigration, and assisted emigration to British North America.
These must be ordered offline . Details are given at
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml
You might also want to join the mailing list for immigration to Canada before 1865. You can sub from the URL above.
On TheShipsList website they are including Quebec ship arrivals extracted from contemporary newspapers.
See http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/index.htm
There are also some passenger lists which were kept by shipping agents in the originating country. For example, the Passenger Books of J & J Cooke, Shipping Agents gives
sailings from Londonderry to Philadelphia PA, Quebec, and St. John New Brunswick from 1847 to 1871.
Olive Tree has some passenger lists from these records online, and will be adding more as time permits. For an index of clickable links to those JJ Cooke passenger lists online to date, see
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/jjcooke.shtml
The Hawke Papers, letterbooks of Chief Emigrant Agent Anthony B. Hawke are also available. They cover the years 1831 to 1892.
See the searchable database at
http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/db/hawke.htm
If you want to search online, you may have limited success because only a very small percentage of ships to Canada have been transcribed and put online.
Good luck!
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tazzie
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Hi Eillo.
This is who I am interested in
William Liscoe b@1824 eng/ire
Martha (Shields) Liscoe b@1829 ire
Their eldest son is Rueben Liscoe b20 nov 1858
Worth County
Iowa.
I am trying to place William as the brother of my grt grt grt grandfather Richard but some reports say he was born in England some say Ireland.
Rueben died in 1935 in Lisco Nebraska a small town that he founded. I have only checked the 1880 census fully but Reubens birth date is my earliest lead.
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Tazzie
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eillo
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Sarah Page born Chilham Kent 1836 who are parents?
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Hi Tazzie
You sure have a puzzle on your hands. i took a look in the census for you -- here's the breakdown for where and when William said he was born
1860 Worth Iowa: 1826 Eng
1870 Mitchell Iowa: 1818 Canada
1880 Platte Nebraska: 1824 Eng
1900 Cheyenne Nebraska: Oct 1823 Ireland
Phew! Martha's is as bad
1860 - 1827 Canada
1870 - 1820 Ire
1880 - 1829 Ire
1900 - not found
Now, in 1900 William says he immigrated to USA in 1852 so that would be when he left Canada. He is naturalized so you should get those nat. records, they will tell where he arrived from Canada. Look for William Jr in the 1910 census, he too says he imm. in 1852 and is nat. You will get more info on a nat. year in later census records.
Oh and their children are:
John b 1848 Canada
Joseph 1850 Can
William 1853 Can
Robert 1854 NY
Ruben 1858 Iowa
Isabel 1860 Iowa
Emma 1862 Iowa
Thomas 1865 (this is really Frederick, he's in the 1900 census as Frederick T. b Sept 1864)
So it looks like they went to Canada before 1848, had 3 children and then left for NY circa 1852/53. Since he was a farmer you might find him buying land in these places.
You can look for the family in the 1851 census for wherever they were living in Canada. See http://allcensusrecords.com/canada/ for help but you need more detail first
Did you notice the Mary Sillery, a niece, with them in 1880? You might want to find her in other census records, see how she fits into the family
Good luck!
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tazzie
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Hi eillo
Have just found a whole load of info........
from Tom Lisco in USA.
William first in Canada 1846 returned to Ireland same year and married Martha Shield in 1847 and they returned to Canada in 1847.Johns place of birth just says Upper Canada but William b july 12 1852 says Guelph? Ontario.
Mary J Sillery was born in County Meath 1862 daughter of Nathanial and Isabelle Sillery (Marthas sister?).
In 1881 she married her cousin Robert Young Liscoe in Silver Creek Nebraska.
So now going round in circles in this small group.
Tom sent me this info just before we moved house so have been looking for it in the loft for 3 hours and had to tell you the progress
Thanks for the census info that will help loads . Can I apply for a copy of a naturalization or do I have to prove the link ?
Thank you so much for all your hard work for me I really feel I can get somewhere now.
Tazzie
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Hi Tazzie - bit of bad news for you. The 1851 census from Guelph has not survived (Ontario 1851 can be spotty in some areas), so you won't be able to find them there. (Upper Canada is the old name for what is now essentially the province of Ontario, so John could have been born anywhere - although not likely they would have moved around a lot if they were only there a short time)
Also, civil registration of births etc. did not begin until 1869, so there will be no birth certificates for the children. You might be able to find baptismal records, but it would be tricky because there were still a lot of travelling preachers, etc. at that time (not like England where you can just order up the parish records and find the whole family!)
Guelph is a city in Wellington County ( http://guelph.ca/ ). Here is a link to the Wellington County GenWeb site, which has a ton of links you can trawl through http://www.rootsweb.com/~onwellin/index.htm Hopefully you can find something there.
The Wellington County Library holds Guelph newspapers back to 1847 - don't know if they offer a research service or other ways you might be able to get a look http://www.wcm.on.ca/archives_newspaper.php
Hope that helps!
Martha
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Hi Martha
Just when I thought I was getting somewhere.
I t seems as though this line is going to lead me a merry dance. Shame about the census that would have been a real help. I will hit the web site and check the library.They had lots of mentions in articles for Reuben at various places as he made his way across to Nebraska.It seems they were in USA in 1856 at a place called Watkins Glen NY .
Iwill keep digging away ..
Best wishes
Tazzie
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hi Tazzie
Guelph could be the City OR the Township in Wellington County.
Now, since your man was a farmer, I bet he owned land -- so why not check the CLRI for Ontario? Check land records, check tax/assessment records, etc.
See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/land.shtml for help
Also, the early church records for Guelph are very good - so if you know the religion of the LISCO family you may be in luck
Both my parents were born in the City of Guelph and my ancestors settled in that general area in the early 1800s. I've had tremendous finds by using the Wellington Co. Archives, they are simply wonderful. You can go in person or hire the Archivist to search on your behalf.
I don't have the URL handy, but jsut google for WELLINGTON COUNTY ARCHIVES.
Let us know if you have the religion of your family, if it's Roman Catholic I can give you the Church name and address to send for birth records.
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Hi again eillo ,
Small world!!
I have never heard of the place thats why I was not sure if the spelling is right.I would have to contact the archives direct as I live in England so would need to get all my papers in order and build Williams tree . I now have lots of leads and a couple of lines come down to the present with the families scattered from New York to Nebraska .I am not sure on religion but Martha if Irish would be my best bet to check first.
Thanks again
Tazzie
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Hi again Tazzie
I have been thinking about your Guelph lines, and it suddenly hit me that a better place to get help (instead of Wellington Co. Archives) is the Guelph Public Library! Last time I was there they had a fantastic collection of books and microfilms for Guelph genealogy.
I'd forgotten that the Wellington Co. Archives, while wonderful, doesn't have as much strictly for the City of Guelph.
You can get the GPL address from Google, I'm afraid I haven't got it handy. Why not mail them a nice letter explaining how far away you live and ask for help. Offer a donation or ask what their charges are, and be sure to include a large manilla envelope plus IRC for their response.
Best of luck
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Hi Karen
,Thanks for the offer that would be a real help.William is proving to be a lot of work due to number of birth places given but he has got to turn up somewhere in a parish register over here.Robert was the only child (sofar ) born in Watkins Glen the next was in Iowa so the moved around alot.
I am sorting out all of my info and listing all sources that everyone has provided .I will let you know how I do
Best wishes
Tazzie
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Hi eillo,
Thanks for that will go and look now.
Am still sorting all info and ploughing my way through "Toms" list. Considering in England they could all be found in Bermondsey and Southwark this lot got the travel bug and off they went.
Will let you know how I get on
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Tazzie
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