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The Brook, Wokingham
« on: Wednesday 21 September 05 15:30 BST (UK) »

My maternal grandfather was born in 1927 at Royal Berks Hospital. As an illigitimate child only his mother's details were recorded. She lived at a place named The Brook, Finchampstead Road, Wokingham. Does anyone with knowledge of the area know what this place is or if it still exists?

My grandfather was adopted the following year by a couple in Middlesex. On his marriage and death certificate, he died in 1969, his parents are recorded as his adoptive parents. As The Brook is one of my only links to his natural mother I'd like to find out more about it.
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 September 05 16:49 BST (UK) »

The House was presumably nearby where the Finchampstead Road crosses Embrook.  I can't remember without going for a walk whether there are any older houses remaining there.  Certainly two of the probable four sites are occupied by a new housing estate and a large Tesco Store.  The road is very long and so I won't be going any further along it.

There is also I believe a copy of the 1932 Kelly's directory in the local reference library.  With the delay between details being collected and publish that could be extremely helpful.  i will get back to you

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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 September 05 10:33 BST (UK) »

Hi David,

Thanks for the information. I had a feeling that the building may not be there any longer but just wanted to check via someone with local knowledge.

If you do find anything in the "Kelly's directory". My gf's natural mother was named Kennedy and a dressmaker if this helps any.

Thanks

Robert
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 September 05 14:00 BST (UK) »

Hi Robert,

I went into the reference library this morning and could find nothing about "The Brook".  I then walked down the road to Tesco.  My memory about the area where Finchampstead Road crosses Embrook was correct.  The area being a modern housing estate, Tesco, a garage and a small "industrial" area.

There are however four oldish houses still there.  Two of them un-named but two having been made from what was probably once one large house of two wings.  One of these is named "Southbrook"  and is the lesser of the two buildings and is on the south side.  The other number 66, "The Warr Physiotherapy Clinic" is otherwise un-named.  This seems a likely place and might be worth a letter.  Telephoning wouldn't help because you would get stuck at reception.  (I have used the clinic)

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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 September 05 23:31 BST (UK) »

Thanks alot Dave for taking the time to look into this and giving the information on here. It is much appreciated.

Cheers

Robert
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 January 06 17:36 GMT (UK) »

Dear Robert,

My ancestors, the Twycross family, lived at The Brook, Wokingham. James Twycross was born in 1791 and died in 1860 and  had 12 children. I have a lot of information about the family. I am not sure if any of the  descendants still lived there in 1927, but I am sure there is information about the Twycross family available in Wokingham.

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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 January 06 17:47 GMT (UK) »

I just noticed on the map of the Warr clinic that it is near Carey Rd. That was the maiden name of John Twycross's mother Mary Carey who was related to the Careys in Kingsleys " Westward Ho." I think there also may be a Twycross rd therabouts.

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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 January 06 21:25 GMT (UK) »

That is an interesting observation.  There is no Twycross Road in Wokingham.  I don't know when Carey Road was named or even when it was constructed.  It doesn't figure in any of the major extensions to the town.

It isn't named after a former mayor as many roads are, but the Charles Kingsley connection is very likely.  Not as you would imagine through "Westward Ho" but through "The Water Babies"

Tom the chimney sweep is supposed to be based on a Wokingham boy who lived at 31 Rose Street.  The house has a plaque and Kingsley is said to have lived in the area at the time that he wrote it.  The house was earlier used as the Maiden School which is a coincidence in view of Kingsley's work in the area of education.

There is a modern but fairly traditional statue outside the library entrance commemorating the story.

Mother Carey features in the Water Babies.

James Seaward the boy sweep swept chimneys in Wokingham for 60 years, was the first working man to be elected to the council and was the only Alderman to decline election to mayor.  He has a road named after him.

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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 January 06 21:55 GMT (UK) »

Sorry there is a Twycross Road in Wokingham.  I was using an old directory.  It was presumably named after James Twycross who was mayor in 1858.  I will try to locate it.

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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #9 on: Friday 27 January 06 22:02 GMT (UK) »

Found Twycross Road.

Its one of the spine roads of the large new estate constructed off the Keephatch Road in the last five years.

David
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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 28 January 06 21:38 GMT (UK) »

David,

Thanks for all the interesting info. i have in my records that James Twycross was a Justice of the Peace. Was he also mayor?
I wonder if you could find out where the Brook was located, possiblty the Warr clinic?

I also was curious to know how Twycross Rd received its name. Is it located near the Brook? i gather it was a recent name.

In 1947. JB Twycross-Raines , then quite elderly, corresponded with my grandmother in Melbourne, Australia, and knew some family history. In these papers I found the name of the Brook, Wokingham.
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 28 January 06 21:46 GMT (UK) »

David,

i just checked back on what you said. i think it is possible that Southbrook was part of a house that was divided into wings to divide 12 young boys and girls.

The Twycross family liked the idea of wings as John Twycross  built a large wing on his house in Melbourne to house his large art collection.

Is the name "Brook" common in that area?

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 28 January 06 21:58 GMT (UK) »

If you go back through this thread you will see that I attempted to find Brook House and came to the conclusion that it was probably the house that is now the Warr Clinic.

The process of choosing street names in Wokingham is that the council keeps a list of potential names which it regularly adds to as they are used up.  The developers choose the names for a new estate from that list of names.

The list includes groups of names like tree, flowers etc. and all the previous mayors of Wokingham.  The long serving mayors and those who have justified recognition seem to have been used first, but more recently all the other mayors seem to have been added to the list.   James Twycross served for just the one year and I know nothing more about him.

The name "Brook" was presumably given to the house because it stands on the banks of Embrook.  Most of the other houses in the immediate area have been redeveloped in the last twenty years and only four remain.  The others have been replaced by a large Tesco supermarket and a small warehouse estate used for other out of town warehouse shops.
It is only about half a mile from the centre of Wokingham

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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #13 on: Monday 30 January 06 20:24 GMT (UK) »

David,

This is great information, thanks! I tried to find a photo of the Warr clinic online with no luck. How large are these 2 houses (approximately) and do they seem to show original details?

Chris
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Re: The Brook, Wokingham
« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 January 06 20:53 GMT (UK) »

Although I have been inside the clinic I am not really sure.  I only visited a chiropodist who worked in a small room to the right of the reception area.  The clinic only appears to be two rooms wide from the road, and the attached house one or two.  I am not sure how far back the clinic goes.  The other house has its entrance on the side and gives the appearance of a wing at right angles to the clinic.

I think they are only two stories but I can't remember for sure.  Its nothing particularly special.  From memory they haven't been updated very much apart from the entrance o the clinic.  As to age, there is nothing which immediately points to them as being anything other than late 19th century although I must admit I haven't examined the brick sizes etc..

Its not the main Warr Clinic but an offshoot of the one in Crowthorne and so if you had found a photograph it would probably have been the wrong one. 

Unfortunately I am not digital or I would offer to take photograph.

David
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DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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