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bjd
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hi, i am tracing my g'mmother, Elizabeth Ther dob 1879 where? she married Ernest Winfield 3-8-1912 in the parish of Hyson Green Nottingham, her father was Charles Ther. I cannot find an Elizabeth but a Lily born to Charles Ther and Catherine Ther nee Needham abt 1879 at Radford. Is the Lily my Elizabeth?
Also i,m having problems find Ernest's father, the marriage cert states his father was Thomas Winfield but i can only find a Silas Winfield who had a son Ernest abt 1889 which is the year Ernest was born.
Elizabeth Winfield nee Ther died Nov 1934 aged 55yrs and Ernest died 8-11-1962 aged 72. Any help appreciated.
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carol8353
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Hello BJD
Is this any help? Found on Free BMD.
Births Mar 1879
Ther Elizabeth District of Radford ref 7b 253
Have you managed to track her through from 1881- 1901 yet?
HTH
Carol
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carol8353
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Hi again 
What job did Thomas Winfield do? And who were the witnesses on their marriage certificate(often one or more are family members)
I may have found a family in Yorkshire in 1891 who fit the bill.
Ernest's age is a little out,but maybe by the time he died in 1962,they had forgotten exactly which year he was born 
Regards
Carol
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Jane Swan
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Bulwell Ernest to Thomas and Alice Mary Winfield 27/1/1893 Thomas was a miner.
Nott Fam Hist Soc Baptism CD
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bjd
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Hi to Carol and Jane, Elizabeth Ther in 1901 census is 34yrs, too old to be my g'mother (married 1912- 32yrs old ) + she was working as a servant in London. Also in the same census shows a Winfield family in Ilkeston with Silas as head, Eliza wife and Ernest as 2nd son aged 13 which tallies with g'dads dob 1889. As regards the marriage cert it shows Thomas as the father and he was a miner, the witnesses are someone called 2nd name Meakin and an Ada Ann Purdey. I've not been re-searching for long, do you think i should finish now while i've still got my sanity?
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Jane Swan
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No you should not give up. This is a great hobby even though it drives you to despair at times it also gives great satisfaction when you get somewhere.
One point if you are looking in Ilkeston you need the Derbyshire board as it is just over the border and will be on the Derbys BMD CDs.
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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'Tricia
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1901 census
Elizabeth Thur born 1879 Nottinghamshire is a Boarder in the household of James Adkin and family. She is a Lace Mender, unmarried, living at 15 Poplar Square, Nottingham. She appears to have a 2 month old daughter called Gertrude Thur
RG13/3169 Nottingham Folio 137 Page 11
I can trace this lady on the 1891 where mum is widowed and then the same family back to 1881 where mum is married to a Chas Thur. Would you like me to post all this
Tricia
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Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk******************************************************** Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson. Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards Italy: Gioffredi |
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hi, any help would be gratefully recieved, am i right in thinking Elizabeths mother (Catherine Needham ) married Charles Ther , abt 1860 as he did marry a Ann Bennelo abt 1838 and as i re-call my Mum did have a step-sister but she called her Ada 
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'Tricia
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Bear with me and I will work my way through the various census for you.
Tricia
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Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk******************************************************** Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson. Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards Italy: Gioffredi |
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1891 census
Therr, Catherine 1841 Nottinghamshire, Head Lace Mender
Therr, Kate 1873 Nottinghamshire, Daughter Lace Mender
Therr, Clara 1875 Nottinghamshire, Daughter Lace Mender
Therr, Anne 1878 Nottinghamshire, Daughter Lace Mender
Therr, Elizabeth 1879 Nottinghamshire,Daughter
Therr, Charles 1881 Nottinghamshire, Son
Therr, Harry 1883 Nottinghamshire,Son
The address is very difficult to read and looks different on each page. No 12, Cavious, Carver, Cavour ?? Square, Nottingham
RG12/2697 Nottingham Folio 15 Page 24
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Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk******************************************************** Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson. Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards Italy: Gioffredi |
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'Tricia
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Elizabeth now appears to be Lily??
1881 census
30 Schooner Street Radford Nottingham
Thos. Needham 1819 Radford, ,Head Widower Beerseller
Catherine Thur 1841 Radford, ,Daughter, Lace Mender
Chas. Thur 1821 Radford, ,Son in Law Lace Maker
Mary A. Thur 1861 Radford, , Granddaughter Lace Maker
Charlotte Thur 1866 Radford,, Granddaughter Lace Maker
Annie Thur 1877 Radford,Granddaughter
Frank Thur 1869 Radford,, Grandson
Emily Thur 1871 Radford,, Granddaughter
Chas. Thur 1881 Radford, , Grandson
Kate Thur 1873 Radford, ,Granddaughter
Clara Thur 1875 Radford, Granddaughter
Lily Thur 1879 Radford, Granddaughter
RG11/3344 Nottingham Radford Folio 43 Page 32
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Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk******************************************************** Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson. Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards Italy: Gioffredi |
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carol8353
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HI both of you,
Mmmm I saw this family earlier- certainly fits in with the 1879 birth I found.
And of course if she's staying with nannie and grandad- they may well have told the enumerator her name was Lily(cos that's what THEY called her)
Even the Queen,whose name is Elizabeth of course was called Lilibet by her sister and other close family members.So could well be the right one.
Have you tried the IGI too see if any of these fit with a proper name of Elizabeth and the other brothers and sisters.
Was rather hoping one of the witnesses would turn out to be an older brother or possibly even a married sister.
The marriage is just too far away from the 1901 census to pin any of them down to it positively.
Too tired to do any more looking tonight- will come back to this tomorrow.
Carol
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1871 census
King Street Radford, Nottingham
Thomas Needham 1819 Head Widower Beer...(doesn't say Seller - can't decipher rest of word) born Radford
Catherine Thurr 1842 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Lodger
Charles Thurr 1831 Stamford, Lincolnshire,Lodger
Mary A Thurr 1861 Radford, Nottinghamshire,Lodger
Charlotte Thurr 1866 Radford, Nottinghamshire,Lodger
Frank Thurr 1868 Radford, Nottinghamshire,Lodger
RG10/3502 Radford Folio 76 Page 45
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Entries from Notts Marriage Index
Charles Thur married Ann Bennell 8th June 1840 Basford, Nottinghamshire (GRO Ref Vol 15, Page 625)
Charles Thur married Catherine Needham 27th December 1864 St Stephen Sneinton, Nottingham
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1861 census
William Street, Radford, Nottingham
Mary Thur 1794 Leake, Nottinghamshire,Head Widow Stay Maker
Charles Thur 1819 Stamford, Lincolnshire,Son Widower Lace Maker
Henry Thur 1837 Radford, Nottinghamshire,Son
The age for Harry may not be accurate as the image is difficult to decipher
RG9/2449 Radford Folio 17 Page 38
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Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk******************************************************** Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson. Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards Italy: Gioffredi |
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