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behindthefrogs
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Saich
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There appear to be two families of Saich in the Uk which arrived independently.
One is based on East London and Essex and I know very litle about that branch.
The other seems to have originated from an immigrant to Ruislip from Ghent in Belgium in the 17th century. I have a 90% tree for one branch of that family mainly based in what is now the London Borough of Hillingdon. There are few people around Harefield who I haven't managed to connect. This branch of the family extends to Ireland and South Australia. There is also a Tasmanian branch whose origin I haven't determined and would welcome information about.
All of these branches have of course spread in the 20th century.
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Zelley
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In post WW II, England there is a
SAICH - ZELLEY connection.
The Zelley in question is part of
the William Walter Zelley - Sarah Ann Austin
branch of the Wandsworth - Battersea area.
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Zelley, Lovell, Godbold, Woods, Phillips, Lewis, Emery,
Magee, Baker, White. Flisher, Kyne, Tilston, Valence/Vallens,
Mabb/Mabbe, Bellamy, Selley, Martha Smith, Arno (of Dartmouth, Devon}.
Dorset, London, Warwick, East Anglia, Kent, Devon
North Wales
The ancestors lived here and there, in many scattered
places, with various occupations
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behindthefrogs
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Re: Saich
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 October 05 19:50 UTC (UK) » |
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None of the information that you provided matched anything that I have in my files. Do you have any more information e.g. a specific marriage.
A lot of the families that I have on file stop before the 1940s but prior to that period based on the fact that the Essex branch is about twice the size of the Middlesex one I reckon to have covered about 25% of the Saich families worldwide. I have not attempted to construct the Essex branch into a single tree but I do have some bits and pieces.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Zelley
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A lot of the families that I have on file stop before the 1940s
David:
Does the 1931 marriage of Frank Saich &
Ivy Zelley ring any bells.
Brian
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Zelley, Lovell, Godbold, Woods, Phillips, Lewis, Emery,
Magee, Baker, White. Flisher, Kyne, Tilston, Valence/Vallens,
Mabb/Mabbe, Bellamy, Selley, Martha Smith, Arno (of Dartmouth, Devon}.
Dorset, London, Warwick, East Anglia, Kent, Devon
North Wales
The ancestors lived here and there, in many scattered
places, with various occupations
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behindthefrogs
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Re: Saich
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 October 05 08:30 UTC (UK) » |
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Sorry the marriage means nothing to me.
I have three births on file which might match but know no more about them.
Francis George Saich 1898 West Ham
Frank Henry G Saich 1897 West Ham
Frank Clarence Saich 1899 Romford
I suspect that these are just extracts from the GRO which were made by one of my contacts.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Zelley
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Sorry the marriage means nothing to me.
I have three births on file which might match but know no more about them.
Francis George Saich 1898 West Ham
Frank Henry G Saich 1897 West Ham
Frank Clarence Saich 1899 Romford
David
As the above listed pre-1900's are all Essex ones, that doesn't mean that they aren't connected to the one living on the South Bank
in the Lambeth or Southwark region.
Take the William & May Saich family of Lambeth and the various children such as William, John and Richard, wouldn't it be interesting to determine
how they are connected to Walter Saich of the "Neville Arms" in Essex
or the Frank E SAICH that married Ivy in the 1930's.
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Zelley, Lovell, Godbold, Woods, Phillips, Lewis, Emery,
Magee, Baker, White. Flisher, Kyne, Tilston, Valence/Vallens,
Mabb/Mabbe, Bellamy, Selley, Martha Smith, Arno (of Dartmouth, Devon}.
Dorset, London, Warwick, East Anglia, Kent, Devon
North Wales
The ancestors lived here and there, in many scattered
places, with various occupations
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behindthefrogs
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Re: Saich
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 October 05 14:52 UTC (UK) » |
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Does the following match with your William and May in Lambeth at all?
G7) William (Mark) Saich born 1887, died 15 Feb 1976, married May Cumberpatch (Min)who was born at Wrotham Kent. 1914 5 Chiltern View Villas, Cowley Rd, Uxbridge. Later lived in Manor Park, East London, where in the 1930s he was a bakery roundsman delivering bread by horse and cart. Both are buried in the City of London Cemetery at Wanstead. Children:
G7.1) Dorothy Saich born 1911 married Stanley Barrett who died before 2004, sons Ronald and Terrence and daughter Maureen. She was living a home in Newberry Park Essex in 2004.
G7.2 Edna Saich
G7.3 William Edlin Saich born 14 Oct 1914
G7.4 Kenneth John Saich born 12 Oct 1924
The references are into my Ruislip tree.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Zelley
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Re: Saich
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 October 05 05:55 UTC (UK) » |
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I think it would be a good idea to set up a SAICH Site at Tribal Pages!
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Zelley, Lovell, Godbold, Woods, Phillips, Lewis, Emery,
Magee, Baker, White. Flisher, Kyne, Tilston, Valence/Vallens,
Mabb/Mabbe, Bellamy, Selley, Martha Smith, Arno (of Dartmouth, Devon}.
Dorset, London, Warwick, East Anglia, Kent, Devon
North Wales
The ancestors lived here and there, in many scattered
places, with various occupations
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rowena56
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Re: Saich
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 June 06 21:45 UTC (UK) » |
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My Saich was Sally born in 1801 in Ruislip Uxbridge who married William Hopping a brickmaker. In 1841 he worked at Botwell Brickfield and had the following children.
William 15
Jane 14
Charles 11
Thomas 8
George 2 - my great grandfather
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behindthefrogs
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Re: Saich
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 June 06 08:35 UTC (UK) » |
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For those of you watching this thread the above Sally was the daughter of Thomas Saich and Elizabeth Bugbeard and part of the Ruislip line.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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jillyjus
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Re: Saich
« Reply #10 on: Monday 19 May 08 22:03 UTC (UK) » |
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I'm looking for any information on the Saich branch who moved to Birmingham.
In particular Joseph Saich who was born around 1791 & moved to Birmingham before 1841. I have him on the 1841 census living in Birmingham but born outside of Warwickshire. He was married to Mary & had children Thomas, Emily & George, that I know of, all born in Birmingham.
His son Thomas (born around 1821) married Jane & they had a daughter Ellen around 1842, probably in Birmingham. I'm looking for any information on her as I can't find any birth records, and she isn't listed on the 1851 census with her parents. Her mother (according to the censuses) would have been 15 & unmarried when Ellen was born, I don't know how likely this is, or whether it's more likely she was adopted by Thomas & Jane. She suddenly appears on the 1861 census aged 19, but I have no idea what went on before that.
If anyone has noticed anything about these people as they've been researching I'd be really glad to hear from you. Or any suggestions where else I can look, or any possible explanations would be gratefully received!
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Saich
« Reply #11 on: Monday 19 May 08 22:12 UTC (UK) » |
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As I said in reply to the PM that you sent me I am afraid that I can't fit your Joseph anywhere into the West Middlesex branch of the Saich family and that makes it fairly certain that he didn't come from that branch. Although you are far enough back that he might be a son that I haven't located.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Re: Saich
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 June 09 09:36 UTC (UK) » |
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Have details of Saich family up to datefrom Neville Arms also my own essex family. If you want to make contact. Am online at present.
Barry.
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Re: Saich
« Reply #13 on: Monday 05 October 09 20:14 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Barry - do any of those names sound familiar to you? Are your Saiches also in the Birmingham area?
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Re: Saich
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 00:07 UTC (UK) » |
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My Saiches are mainly from the greater Dunmow area, with a possibility back to Ramsden Crays in Essex in the late 17, early 1800's. More recently some members moved to London, St.Giles.
I have a copies of my tree on Tribal and Genes.
Barry
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