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Hi people!
My GG Grandmother was Susannah BRADBURY (nee HOLMES) who [according to the censuses] was born in abt 1852 in Hyde, Cheshire. From Susannah's marriage certificate to Joseph BRADBURY, we see that she's the daughter of Elijah (she's also with Elijah and her sister Martha on the 1861 and 71 Census), whose occupation is given as "Cotton Carder" on the certificate, but "Coal Miner" on the censuses!
(confused yet?? keep reading!!)
I applied for Susannah AND Martha's birth certificates after finding the refs on Cheshire BMD -
1851 HOLMES Susannah Dukinfield Tameside DUK/28/65
1853 HOLMES Martha Ann Dukinfield Tameside DUK/31/75
but my cheque was returned stating that their father's name is NOT Elijah!!
i'm completely stuffed now with this. It's a nightmare!
can anyone help me, pplllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaseee?!?
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BRADBURY, BAYLEY, WINTERBOTTOM, HOLMES, BRUCE, ROBINSON, ANDREW (All Cheshire/Lancashire area.) HOYLE (Yorkshire), GRAY (Bedford), HORLEY (Bedford), RENSHAW, WILDE, MEREDITH, BRIDGEHOUSE and SUGDEN (Cheshire/Lancashire) BATE, BATES, HEARSUM (Essex), HALLOWS, LANGFIELD, HAGUE, TRAVIS, COOPER, ALLEN, MACE (Cheshire, Lancashire) Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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CatOne
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You could try applying for the certificates without stating a fathers name if you're sure they're the right ones. It could be that the name on the birth cert is slightly different to Elijah, ie; a spelling variation . I've had the same thing happen to me before because, for example, I put Osborn, instead of Osborne..... or Elijah could have been the name he was known by/a middle name, but his "official" name was something else.....
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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looking at the 1861 census though, theres a Susannah Holmes b.c1852 Dukinfield, daughter of William and Elizabeth Holmes (living in Sheffield) so this could be the reference you found.....
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Thank you for your hunting skills. It's certainly a puzzler!
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BRADBURY, BAYLEY, WINTERBOTTOM, HOLMES, BRUCE, ROBINSON, ANDREW (All Cheshire/Lancashire area.) HOYLE (Yorkshire), GRAY (Bedford), HORLEY (Bedford), RENSHAW, WILDE, MEREDITH, BRIDGEHOUSE and SUGDEN (Cheshire/Lancashire) BATE, BATES, HEARSUM (Essex), HALLOWS, LANGFIELD, HAGUE, TRAVIS, COOPER, ALLEN, MACE (Cheshire, Lancashire) Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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There is a marriage indexed in the Cheshire BMD for 1851 between Eli Holmes and Jane Holmes/Kelnar at St Georges Hyde it seems highly likely that these are the parents of your Susanah and Martha and that the births of the girls may have been on the Lancashire side of the border or some where else entirely. I would seek to find the death of this Jane, and the births of the girls in the same area in the 1837 online site.
Also shown in 1861 census is an older brother Allan Holmes born 1845 Hyde this birth also does not show in the Cheshire BMD.
Allan is shown in the 1881 census as married with a one year old son named Elijah. Which seems to add to the evidence of Eli if not being his dad then being a stepdad.
I will try to find the family in the 1851 census for you.
peterbennett
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Hi Peter!
I've seen the marriage of Eli and Jane on the Cheshire BMD site, and wondered about it because the other name given in HOLMES too showing that Eli was her second husband. St George's does fit in with them being in Hyde then - Do you know which is the St Georges Church in Hyde? Is it the one off Market Street? I am going to Tameside LSL tomorrow morning and am planning to try to look at St George's baptisms/marriages and see if I can glean anything from that - perhaps Eli's father's name or something.
Elijah's wife obviously died between the birth of Martha in 1855 and the 1861 census where Elijah gave himself as "Widower", which is helpful in narrowing it down somewhat. Perhaps she died in childbirth - Jun 1855 - Death HOLMES Jane - Ashton-Under-Lyne 8d 279.
I've struggled to find the girls being born. Apparently, the father of the Susannah registered on the Cheshire BMD site is not Elijah/Eli and something "entirely different" according to the registrars office. I have looked on the 1861 census and sure enough, there is another Susannah HOLMES born in Dukinfield to William and Elizabeth HOLMES. I'd also wondered if the two older ones were children of Jane's first marriage (which also looks like it was to a guy called HOLMES) and that was why it is confused but who knows?
I've managed to find Allan and family on the Censuses (with the exception of the 1871). Allan married Jane Appleyard HULME in 1879.
It would be more than wonderful if you manage to find them on the 1851 as this really does have me a bit stuck for progressing.
Thanks
Claire
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BRADBURY, BAYLEY, WINTERBOTTOM, HOLMES, BRUCE, ROBINSON, ANDREW (All Cheshire/Lancashire area.) HOYLE (Yorkshire), GRAY (Bedford), HORLEY (Bedford), RENSHAW, WILDE, MEREDITH, BRIDGEHOUSE and SUGDEN (Cheshire/Lancashire) BATE, BATES, HEARSUM (Essex), HALLOWS, LANGFIELD, HAGUE, TRAVIS, COOPER, ALLEN, MACE (Cheshire, Lancashire) Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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I have found what I think may be your family in Hyde 1851, it is quite dificult to read so I have added an image it to your 1841/51 request, and moved it to the main Cheshire Board, so hopefully you will be able to read the image.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,90597.0.html
There are no deaths indexed on the Cheshire BMD for Hyde so cant check if his wife died or not,
let me know what you think
peterbennett
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Yes that's certainly them!
I had wondered about another child because there is an Allan HOLMES on the 1871 and he is the Brother-in-law of Henry GOLDTHORP. Henry's wife was Ann Jane and when I look on Cheshire BMD there is an Ann Jane HOLMES marrying Henry GOLDTHORPE in 1864. I'm going to the LSL tomorrow so I intend to look at the marriage to see if Elijah is the father and also to look at the burials at St George's just incase Mrs HOLMES is there somewhere between the 1851 and 61.
Thanks again Peter
Claire
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BRADBURY, BAYLEY, WINTERBOTTOM, HOLMES, BRUCE, ROBINSON, ANDREW (All Cheshire/Lancashire area.) HOYLE (Yorkshire), GRAY (Bedford), HORLEY (Bedford), RENSHAW, WILDE, MEREDITH, BRIDGEHOUSE and SUGDEN (Cheshire/Lancashire) BATE, BATES, HEARSUM (Essex), HALLOWS, LANGFIELD, HAGUE, TRAVIS, COOPER, ALLEN, MACE (Cheshire, Lancashire) Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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