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Topic: Specialist County Surname Interest Table - Your Views?? (Read 3698 times)
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Arranroots
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It has been suggested (on the Gloucestershire board) that a version of the Surname Interest Table could be created for a single county.
This would permit Rootschatters to detail the families or individuals they are interested in within the county. names/ birth dates/ contact info for example.
In principle our wonderful SIT Wizard (aka Berlin-Bob) has agreed that it could be done.
In order to establish what sort of detail would be included, he has suggested that responses are gathered here and then
TIME PERMITTING!!
he would be willing to have a go!
I may not have phrased this very well, but there does seem to be merit in creating a table or database with slightly more detail than the SIT can afford, without negating the original countrywide version.
Please post your opinions here!
kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Hackstaple
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Right on!
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Arranroots
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Thanks Ray
I knew I wouldn't have phrased it too well!
What I meant (although feel free to disagree) is one County SIT table for each of the Rootschat county boards.
Hack - a gentleman, a scholar - and an inventor of digital databases to boot - thank you!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Hackstaple
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I don't think the database should be too complex or try to do too much. I do not even think we should be looking for dates or even individuals but only families and places. Searches for specific individuals are well enough covered here and in other places.
Surname - Village or area - County
After all this little board is for Surname Interests.
I might suggest that members not be too terribly specific about the village either - I have ancestors within a single family who are found in 5 different towns or villages in the Forest of Dean. If someone says they are interested in Lucas from Cinderford they may miss out on his daughter, a Lucas who married and went to Ruardean.
I will also agree that we should ignore all the nonsense about the "county" of Avon etc. If a Victorian census places someone in Gloucestershire then for our purposes that is what they must be.
Thank you, Bob, for offering your services here. 
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Keith Sherwood
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I think it would be a great idea, as long as BerlinBob doesn't mind rolling up his sleeves again and going on another labour of love. I have found that from the 18th C (and working backwards) that a family surname (with obvious spelling variants) tends to be rooted in one small area of a particular county, though London even then was a bit of a magnet for ambitious individuals...
Keith
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maggiefishblue
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I think the idea of a separate county board is a particularly good one, and if Bob is willing to set one up that would be much appreciated by many people - me included 
My only potential problem would be that I have ancestors who are on the county boundary between Gloucestershire and Worcestershire - their villages appear on one county's census for some years and on the other county's census for other years.
Therefore it would be important to mention the village/s in which they lived as part of the data base, as Hackstaple suggests. Then others with the same surname interests could more easily identify the family - it would be a shame to miss out because on one census they aren't mentioned because the village has hopped into the next county for census purposes - I hope this makes some sense  or am I beginning to ramble? 
Maggie 
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I am researching:
~ Gamble, Hincks, Grewcock, Grant, Leeson, Wright - Leicestershire/Warwickshire
~ Bywater - Warwickshire, Cheshire, Staffordshire
~ Crisp, Smith, Dowdeswell, Griffin, Stayt/Stait/Staite, Carpenter, Blizzard/Blissard - Gloucestershire
~ Bladder, Carter - Worcestershire
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Keith Sherwood
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One's native place is the shell of one's soul...
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Maggie,
No you're not beginning to ramble! - I've found the same problem with those places on the Worcestershire/Herefordshire border...
Keith
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Hackstaple
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The shifting borders are why I suggested "Village, town or area". The whole of the Welsh Marches are affected and many of the adjoining counties. However I see the database as like this - alphabetically everyone who is reseaching Bullock - then the location. You can then readily see from such a simple list who might be reseraching your own ancestors.Then a simple PM will establish contact and verify whether there is common ground. I doubt if such one-to-one communications should clutter up the Boards.
I wondered why Arranroots called me a Gentleman and I see it is on my Profile now but all the blokes are now Gentlemen and all the women are Ladies. How genteel 
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Robert & Karon
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I agree with Hackstaple, The layout of this forum makes searching big lists somewhat difficult. An alphabetic list of names with birth dates, and then a form of contact to the owner of the name/tree/enquiry would be teriffic.
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I live in Bathurst, NSW, Australia Check the "Surname Interest Table" at the bottom of most screens to check all my SURNAMES. SHEPHERD, ALSOP, GIBBS, ANDREWS, COLBORN - Gloucestershire KELK, COATES, LEEMAN - Lincolnshire STANGER, POLLARD, HASLAM, WRIGHT - Surrey MATTHEWS, POOK & COBBETT - Somerset BAILEY, COLLINS, McDOWELL - Australia, then who knows where in UK? For more family names visit: http://www.robertshepherd.tribalpages.comVisitor password: 1596 |
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Robert & Karon
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The way I see it at present, there is too much spurious information. Example: I type in Shepherd, every Shepherd in the text is listed, as well as every name and pseudonym of authors who have Shepherd anywhere in the title.
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I live in Bathurst, NSW, Australia Check the "Surname Interest Table" at the bottom of most screens to check all my SURNAMES. SHEPHERD, ALSOP, GIBBS, ANDREWS, COLBORN - Gloucestershire KELK, COATES, LEEMAN - Lincolnshire STANGER, POLLARD, HASLAM, WRIGHT - Surrey MATTHEWS, POOK & COBBETT - Somerset BAILEY, COLLINS, McDOWELL - Australia, then who knows where in UK? For more family names visit: http://www.robertshepherd.tribalpages.comVisitor password: 1596 |
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behindthefrogs
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I would like to see the"one name interests board" restricted to entries which have a broad interest in the name. It is very frustrating to look at a one name entry only to find that it is actually a reference to two generations of a family in the corner of a specific county.
Surely these entries can be accessed by members listing the names in which they are interested. I know from talking to people at our local FHS that many of them are not even aware that this facility exists despite the regular advertising. The problem is that people don't look at the links at the bottom of the page.
What I would like to see is the ability for people link their name interests to the relevant counties from a picklist and then the abilty to retrieve from the name interest lists by name and county. Somehow we need to obey the basic rule of database building that keys which are frequently used to search should be retrieved from picklists both on input and during searching.
David Wilson
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Arranroots
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Well now i can see why the SIT table already in use is such a triumph!
It covers most of the objectives we have raised here, while getting around the problems that have also been mentioned.
At this point I am not sure whether to abandon the idea or wait a bit longer for the ideal solution to occur to someone?
Is this really a live issue - or can we make do with what we have got? (Thus saving Bob a lot of work and enabling him to get on with the ironing?)
Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Hackstaple
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Those of us who are thick, like me, can find no way of searching SIT even when we remember what it is 
I am also too syupid to see why a County Surnames Board and a SIT are needed if one does all jobs. If there is a firm need for a County Surnames Board then it should be made as useful as possible. At the moment they are as useful as using a comb to sweep the floor - a lot of effort and no good result
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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