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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 22 September 05 22:21 BST (UK) »

Births, December Quarter 1941

ROBINSON, ******
Mother's maiden name: HALES
Ref: **************

Although I have a couple of doubts:

- It's bit close to the marriage date of June Quarter 1941 but we have to remember that this was war time.
- I think the Whitchurch in question is the one in Shropshire but the BBC article has them in Kent

Even so I think this is worth passing on to the RAF.  I'm sure they'd be happy to stump up the 7 quid to get the birth certificate to prove whether or not Patricia is the daughter of John V ROBINSON & Ethel M HALES.

Will continue to look through the birth indexes for 1942 & 1943 to see if there are any other candidates.

Al

The RAF base near Whitchurch, Shrops.

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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 22 September 05 22:42 BST (UK) »

I e-mailed the BBC earlier on to see if they had any extra info, and got a very prompt and nice reply from a lass called Sue. She referred me back to the lady at the RAF. I have just mailed Sue again and asked if the BBC would do a follow up on this if we were sucessful, and if so how would the BBC like to volunteer £8.50 for the cert. Cheeky, but if you don't ak, you don't get.

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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 22 September 05 22:48 BST (UK) »

Am now so excited I am tempted to rush off and order the cert myself. Gosh what a long wait, and its not even a rellie of mine.
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« Reply #33 on: Thursday 22 September 05 23:41 BST (UK) »

I've finished checking the birth indexes up to June Quarter 1943 which by my calculations is the latest a child of the late Sgt Robinson could have been born and have found one another possible candidate:

Births, **** Quarter 1942

ROBINSON, *********
Mother's maiden name: HALES
Ref: *********

Have PM'ed the full details to Sarah.

Al
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« Reply #34 on: Friday 23 September 05 00:52 BST (UK) »

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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #35 on: Friday 23 September 05 02:16 BST (UK) »

I've finished checking the birth indexes up to June Quarter 1943 which by my calculations is the latest a child of the late Sgt Robinson could have been born and have found one another possible candidate:

Births, **** Quarter 1942

ROBINSON, *********
Mother's maiden name: HALES
Ref: *********

Have PM'ed the full details to Sarah.

Al

I think both the births you quote are certain to be his children.  How many Robinson-Hales marriages were there at the right time to be producing children then?

I've done quite a bit of this sort of analysis in my own family tree with a lot of success, so unless you're dealing with two common names (and I wouldn't count Hales as particularly common), it's a safe bet.

Of course, it's unfortunate that the children's names are the more common Robinson, but it should still be possible (though costly) to look for relevant marriages some 20-28 years later.  I located a living relative who was born Pauline Butler (probably as common as Patricia Robinson) using such an approach.  I searched for and listed all possible Pauline Butler marriages, eliminated some based on location, and ranked the remainder in order of my perception of likelihood.  Then used the electoral roll and BT.com to locate the phone number of the top candidate, which proved to be the right one (though her husband initially denied it when I called, admitting later that he feared I was a scammer!).

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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #36 on: Friday 23 September 05 06:57 BST (UK) »

this could be Kenneth Wakefields father in 1901??


Emma J Wakefield abt 1872 Clapham, Bedfordshire Wife
Joseph Wakefield abt 1872 Derbyshire,  Head
Rose A Wakefield abt 1899 Clapham, Bedfordshire,  Daughter
Albert J Wakefield abt 1896 Clapham, Bedfordshire, Son

RG13/3206 Folio 66
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If this is the right one, BT has a listing for a Wakefield in Oakley and one in Great Barford. Both of these are very close to Clapham.


Samesizedfeet, did we have the same French teacher??? I can do the monkey in the tree bit too Grin

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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #37 on: Friday 23 September 05 08:23 BST (UK) »

I have some 1837online credits I'm willing to donate to this cause - I bought then when desperate one day to do a search from work but I cant really do that often (boss doesnt approve for some reason) and my home computer doesnt run DjVu - so at the  minute they're just going to waste.

anyway - I'm waffling - if anyone want to suggest what I could be searching for to be most productive I'll find some quiet moments in the office today

Zoe


I'm going to start looking for a birth for Peter Sharman
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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #38 on: Friday 23 September 05 08:40 BST (UK) »

Hi Zoe

I've also got some credits - and a boss in the office until 11-ish. After that I was going to have a look for any Wakefields born in the right area around 1915-1925. If you want to try that if nothing else is suggested, I'll check back here before I start, and see if anything new has come up.

Cheers

Silvilocks

Just missed you - I'll stick with the Wakefields then
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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #39 on: Friday 23 September 05 08:42 BST (UK) »

Alcrighton pointed out, and I have to say it never crossed my mind, that we are now dealing with living people, unusual in this game I know !!!!! Alcrington suggested we refrain from using the childrens names in postings on here as we don't really have their permission, and much as us lot would love nothing more than a phone call out of the blue saying hey, people are digging up your family and have loadsa juicy stuff for you, these people might not. I don't know how to edit postings on here but some one will be able to do it. In future perhaps we could call the children by their initials. If anyone needs to find the full details they can pm either Alcrighton, myself, or anyone else who has posted on this thread. I'm sure every one will understand the need for a little tact here.
With regards, Sarah.

Moderator Comment:  A very good point - Please all take note !!
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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #40 on: Friday 23 September 05 08:43 BST (UK) »

Just a thought here, if Mrs Robison was widowed with one/two young children she may well have re married.
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« Reply #41 on: Friday 23 September 05 09:02 BST (UK) »

okey cokes - I have searched 1837 for a birth for Peter Siegrfried Sharman from 1920 (Dec) thru to 1924 (Dec) and have only come up with these:

1923 M - Peter K Sharman Bolton - Mothers Maiden Name = Levitt
1923 S - Peter G Sharman  Biggleswade - MMN = Jarman
1923 D - Peter R Sharman Basford - MMN = Robinson
1924 S - Peter W Sharman Ipswich - MMN = Burl
1924 D - Peter L Sharman Headington - MMN Panting

I've saved all the pages so as soon as I get time to concentrate properly I will go back through them and see if I can find any likely candidates for other children of the divorcee couple found on page one.

If I have made a glaring mistake in birth years for Peter please let me know - from his age at death I had him worked out to born between Aug 1921 and AUg 1922

Zoe

p.s. still have plenty of credits left but no time right now to look
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« Reply #42 on: Friday 23 September 05 09:36 BST (UK) »

Hi,

Bev got in touch with me because , like her, i'm researching a Sharman family from Derbyshire.

My family came from the village of Baslow, not all that far from Buxton, but from what I can see the family of Peter Siegrfied originated from Cuckfield in Sussex and not Derbyshire.

His Father's name George is a family name from the line I'm following but then the name George was not uncommon in the nineteenth century.

By the time George and his son Peter came alomg my ancestors had moved to Stockport. There were other, more distantly related, lines who remained in Derbyshire one from a Thomas Sharman in Stoney Middleton and the other from George Sharman in Eyam and Grindleford Bridge. However I haven't come across a George Owen Sharman or Peter Siegrfried but will let you know if I can find a link.

Good luck with your search

Jean Sandra
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Leicestershire
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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #43 on: Friday 23 September 05 10:16 BST (UK) »

Fairly sure this is Kenneth Wakefield's birth:
Q2 1922 in Derby. For privacy reasons I've emailed the full details including mothers maiden name to Sarah.

This looks like his parents marriage:
1921 Q4 West Ham (They got around a bit). Albert J Wakefield to Alice J H (witheld)

BUT - Alice's maiden name is the same as mine - and I do have a branch which were in West Ham in 1901.  Shocked

Really wish my boss would clear off now - I want do more searches!

Cheers

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Re: BBC: A Challenge for Rootschatters
« Reply #44 on: Friday 23 September 05 10:45 BST (UK) »

Alice J H Wakefield (married name) was born 1896 in Poplar

struggling to find her in 1901 under maiden name tho. Year of birth will help narrow down when we're trying to trace her whereabouts at time of her death

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