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Topic: John Caple - Killed in the Great War 1916. (Read 624 times)
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smiths565
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I have been researching men who worked for Vickers Steelworks, Sheffield, England, who fell in the Great War.
I wonder if anybody could tell me more about John Caple - he was born in Derby and joined the Sherwood Foresters, enlisted in Derby. He was killed in the Battle of the Somme on the 5th July 1916. His body was never found and he is remembered on the Thiepval memorial to the missing.
Unfortunately, thats as much as I know - I don't even know how old he was - Any help would be appreciated.
The result of my research and details about John Caple can be found on
[url]http://www.stannington.webitsmart.co.uk[/url] in the Vickers Steelworks section. It may be of interest to someone.
Thanks in advance.
Robert.
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Hi Robert,
I think I may have found your John Caple.
1901 Census Derby RG13/3215 Folio 70 (second page) Sch 42
45 Willow Row, Derby.
Caple John single 17 Servant Making & Selling Ice Cream Derby
living in the household of Frances Gargoro Ice Cream Maker Italy
(In the transcript John's age is transcribed as 67).
To prove this was incorrect I looked on the 1891 Census
RG12/2737 Folio 65 Sch 47
37 Willow Row, Derby
Caple John Head married 41 Bricklayers Lab. Battersey, London
" Lydia Wife " 34 Dressmaker Bargate, Derbyshire
" James son 14 Bricklayers Lab. Derby
" Harriet dau 9 scholar "
" Robert son 7 " "
" JOHN son 6 " "
" George son 5 " "
" Joseph son 10 months "
JOHN CAPLE Birth Registration December Q 1884 Derby 7b 596
John Caple (the father) married Lydia Sims June Quarter 1876 Derby 7b 772
Lydia gives a birth place of Bargate, this is near Belper Derby.
This is the only family named Caple in Derby and in 1901 Census the parents are at 39 Green Street, Derby
Hope this is of assistance.
Spendlove
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smiths565
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Hello Spendlove - Thank you very much, this is great news - good detective work.
I agree, you've identified John Caple. This would make him 33'ish when he died. I wonder how he made the switch from Ice Cream Maker - to Steel Worker.
At 33 I suppose there is a possibility he married, which I will look into.
Thanks again
Robert.
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MrB
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Local Derby Paper, he was included in a list of wounded soldiers. At this time he was still with 1st Battalion.
Stuart
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smiths565
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Thanks for that Stuart - I don't suppose you know the date he was reported as wounded.
many thanks
Robert.
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My fault, meant to include the date of the paper which was 11th June 1915.
Stuart
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Cheers Stuart 
Many thanks.
Regards Robert.
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manmack
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robert,johns youngest brother joseph was killed two months later on 16-9-16,aged 26,he was in the 2nd battalion sherwood foresters,army No3346,his fathers address at the time,was 3 jacksons yard,nuns st,derby,his wife florence later remarried and became mrs florence jones,2 gisborne st,derby
joseph was originally a sergeant then reduced to private,at the time of his death,he was a lance corporal,he is also on the thiepval memorial to the missing
regards mack
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smiths565
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Mack, thats great. Thank you very much for the info.
Looks like this family paid a terrible price. Two sons.
Thanks again
Robert.
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manmack
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robert,is this lad your c.savage.
pte cyril savage
A.company
1st batt.east yorks regt
killed in action 24-10-18
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age 19
son of william+clara savage,1 nicholson st,cleethorpes
he was born at brightside,enlisted in sheffield,and at the time of his death,was living at brightside.
dont know where brightside is,the other c.savage is called charles,buried at beverley
you have a cyril,c hill on your memorial,No301732,his original army number was 6068
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Hello again Mack.
I think you are absolutely spot on. Brightside is the area of the east end of Sheffield, where Vickers Steelworks was/is. So this is almost certainly the C. Savage I am looking for. The 1901 census also puts Cyril and his family in the Brightside area as well.
Thanks for looking this up for me.
Regards Robert.
If anybody on this forum could do a 1901 lookup for Savage in the Brightside Bierlow area. Cyril is aged 1 and Clara is 27. I'd love to know if he had any brothers and sisters.
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robert,i think this is your e,godling,
pte ernest godlington
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9th batt
age 30
killed 1-7-16
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born rotherham
buried,gordon dump cemetary
when he left school,he was working as a coal picker,all the godlingtons came from rotherham and a couple from sheffield,all worked in the iron+steele industry,mack
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Hello Robert,
What a fascinating thread this is, and what a great thing you're doing with your website...I just had to get involved, so here is your Cyril Savage in 1901:
RG13/4381/138/25
Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield
22 Lempsfield Road
SAVAGE
William Head M 29 Driller on machine Yorks, Sheffield
Clara Wife M 27 Yorks, Brightside
William V Son S 7 Yorks, Wincsbank (?)
Fanny Dau S 4 Yorks, Brightside
Cyril Son S 1 Yorks, Brightside
CHeers
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nice one prue,mack
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military history,mainly ww1,manchester pals battalions,tyneside irish +tyneside scottish brigades,leeds,liverpool,accrington,birmingham,hull,barnsley,swansea and salford pals.
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Brilliant !! 
Mack, Prue - I can't thank you enough. This research I have been doing is like a jigsaw puzzle, that may never be finished. Its input from outside sources, like yours, that gives me a nudge every now and again.
Cyril Savage
I've had a quick look for Lempsfield Road. There is a Limpsfield Road in Wincobank { Wincsbank (?) }
Also a very familiar trend is his fathers job. It seems a lot of sons followed their fathers into the Steel Industry - possibly the same company.
Ernest Godlington
Killed on the first day of the Somme, so I should be able to find out where & what their objectives were etc.
Thanks again
I hope to hear from you again.
Robert
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