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g'day
need to trace a Elizabeth Dingley parents Thomas and Martha
1st objective 1851 census
can anyone help
regards Alan
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Hi Alan
What information do you have on Elizabeth already? Later census/marriage/anything at all 
Any idea where she is likely to be? There is, as yet, no index to the whole of Kent so some idea of where to look would be helpful for anybody who might be able to assist 
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Is this the family that you are looking for
1861
Sticklands Cottages, Erith, Kent
Martha DINGLEY head mar 40 lab's wife b.Oldham Lancs
John son 14 plasterer's lab b.Dover Kent
Eliza dau 11 b.Lewisham Kent
Martha dau 9 b.Plumstead Kent
Thomas son 6 b.Plumstead
Anne dau 4 b.Plumstead
RG9/466 folio 59 page 7
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1861
Thomas DINGLEY lodger mar 32 railway platelayer b.Warwickshire lodging with a Hilburn family at "New "Road, Chatham RG10/482 folio 26 page 9
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1871
Railway Cottage, Chatham Hill, Gillingham, Kent
Thomas DINGLEY head mar 52 plate layer LCDR b.Barkswell Warwickshire
Martha wife 50 b.Chatherton Lancashire
Thomas son 15 engine cleaner LCDR b.Plumstead Kent
Ann dau 13 b.Plumstead
Charles son 6 b.Chatham
Henry LEE boarder unm 20 hammerman LCDR b.St Mary's Cray
RG10/912 folio 42 page 11
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alan cutts
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g'day
thank you for the info it was most welcome!!!!
my objective is to prove her whereabouts between
when she was in Oldham and kent as her history shows her to have the name leigh and Dingley in two seperate records..
regards Alan
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Casalguidi g’day
Here is the dilemma
Elizabeth Dingley married John Richard Martin July 10 1859 (cert)
Elizabeth b Nov 19 1840 Oldham Lancs (cert)
Parents on cert Thomas Dingley railway workman
Martha Collinge
Heres the twist
Thomas Dingley & wife Martha can be found in chatham kent in the 1861/71 census
Thomas b 1819 Berkswell Martha b 1821 Oldham Lancs
With children
John b 1847 kent
Eliza b 1850 kent
Martha b 1852 plumstead
Thomas b 1855 plumstead
Anne b 1857 plumstead
Charles b 1864 Chatham
The birth certs of Thomas Anne and Charles show the parents as Thomas Dingley
And Martha Lee??
On Thomas and Annes cert the father Thomas Dingley his occupation is shown as a beer house keeper. And on Charles cert he is a rail plate layer..
So one cert fits as does the childrens ages and placement but the maiden name and fathers occupation changes???
We have a marriage for Thomas Dingley railway worker and a Martha Leigh
In Oldham lancs dec 20 1839
Everything we have fits for the Kent family the only sticking point is the different names
On the cert of the mother first 2 kids registered under Collinge and the last 3 under the name leigh spelt Lee on the certs.
I hope this makes sense, to me it smacks of a double marriage or a previous marriage
Or two families of the same elk etc.
Whats your thoughts???
Regards Alan
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1851
2 Arundel Cottages, Lewisham, Kent
Thomas DINGLEY head mar 32 railway servant b.Berkwell Warwickshire
Martha wife 31 b.Cha(...?)ton Lancs
Elizabeth dau 10 b.Cha....ton Lancs
Samuel son 8 b.Cha....ton Lancs
Sophia dau 5 b.Huggum? Kent (Hougham perhaps?)
John son 3 b.Huggum? Kent
Eliza dau 5m b.Lewisham
HO107/1591 folio 291 page 15
With regards to your dilemma, I wonder if the wife, Martha, was known by both COLLINGE and LEE ie. was she illegitimate, did her mother remarry, did her parents use an alias themselves? It's a thought that she may be one and the same rather than a different wife. Perhaps delving into her origins in Lancashire will be more fruitful?
Best wishes
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alan cutts
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g'day
thank you for your help.
I wish all the best for you and yours in the future.
regards Alan
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Hi Alan
because Martha was born before Civil Registration (ie 1837), I searched the IGI for the birth of a Martha COLLINGE/LEE (and variants) circa 1821, born in Chadderton, Lancashire (which is the Oldham area) and there is nothing I'm afraid.
The only thing I can suggest, is that you post a request for anyone going to Manchester Central Library, to search the Odham Parish Registers for her birth, using both names.
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BUCKLEY, Ches. DUNN, Ireland & Lancs. EDGSON, Rutland, Leics & Lancs. LYON, Lancs. McNULTY, Ireland & Lancs. MORRIS, Beds, Hunts & Lancs. TURNER, Lancs. WILLIAMSON, Lancs. Website: http://www.ag19pfalz36.plus.com/All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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Mobo g'day
Thank you very very much for your effort
I am on a prepaid disk so your time and effort was most appreciated.
Regards Alan
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