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Topic: 1841/1851 census lookup Ramsbury - Hawkins (Read 255 times)
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Huron
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Hi,
I'm trying to find information about Rev John CCBP Hawkins, who was the Vicar in Ramsbury from at least 1842 through to at least 1865. In particular I'm hoping to find out who his wife was, and what children were living with him, and where and when they were born. He'd previously been in Compton Beauchamp until at lest 1840, but was no longer there in 1841, and I just found him listed in the 1842 Wiltshire directory in Ramsbury, so I'm hoping he'd arrived there in time for the 1841 census.
Any help with this would be hugely appreciated.
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suffolk*sue
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Catherine Sandys, I will find out where you went.
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Can you tell us how old John was in 1841, as there are several John Hawkins listed in Wiltshire, but the index doesn't give occupations. It would take a lot of looking through to maybe find the right one.
Can't see any in Ramsbury or Compton
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Little Nell
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I've found the local vicar in Ramsbury. This transcription says Samuel:
HO107/1686/455 p 27 schedule 117 ED 2
High Street National School
HAWKINS Samuel ? C.B.P. 57 Local Vicar & magistrate b Middlesex. St. James
Elizabeth Gregory Ddau 30 b Little Coxwell Berks
Harriet Catherine 29 Daughter b Little Coxwwll
Isabella Eliza 27 b Compton Beauchamp
Sarah Charlotte 25 b Compton
Louisa Elizabeth 24 b Compton
Caroline 22 Daughter b Compton
Emily 20 b Compton
Fanny 11 b Compton
CLEMENTS Ann Charlotte Servant 68 Domestic Duties Servant b Middlesex. St. James
LUGGETT Hannah Servant 49 Cook b Buscot
MAY Sarah Servant 22 House Servant b Reading St. Marys
BROWN John Servant 18 Footman b Wilsford
Eight daughters! No wonder there is no Mrs Hawkins!
You should check out the original for confirmation of this.
Nell
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Huron
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Hi,
He was born in 1793 in St James, Westminster, London. On the 1861 census he used his middle names Bennet Popkin, instead of first name John. Don't know if he might have done that before as well. In the directories I've found he's listed as John.
I have a worrying feeling he may have been in transit in 1841, and given how that area is on the borders of Berkshire, Oxfordshire and Wiltshire, and the possibility he had friends or family in London, it could be a nightmare trying to find him. I strongly suspect his wife's name was Elizabeth, but that's unconfirmed and I don't know when she died so he might have been a widower by 1841.
Thanks for the help
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Huron
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Hi,
Posts passed in transit here. Thanks for the information from what I assume is the 1851 census. Curious about Samuel, as that was his father's name. I would have thought he'd be happy with John Cunningham Calland Bennet Popkin Hawkins without throwing in a Samuel as well, but that's clearly the right one.
There were at least 3 sons as well. One reason I'm very curious to know if his wife made it as far as 1841.
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Little Nell
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Huron,
As I say, I'm working from a transcription so the original needs to be checked. Someone may have goofed.
I've looked at the FamilySearch site and Emily's mother was certainly Elizabeth and her father was shown as John:
Emily Calland Hawlkins bapt 7 March 1830 Compton Beauchamp parents John and Elizabeth.
This has to be the correct family with the name Calland!
There are more:
Isabella Eliza b 13 Feb bapt 19 Mar 1820
Harriet Catherine b 14 Jul bapt 21 Jul 1818
John Gregory b 29 Jul bapt 30 Jul 1821
Sarah Charlotte bapt 21 Sept 1823
Louisa Elizabeth bapt 8 Oct 1826
Nell
PS Any bets that Elizabeth's maiden name may have been Gregory?
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Huron
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Wow! Thanks so much for finding that inscription. I'd had a look on Familysearch before, and was pretty sure it was Elizabeth, but due to confusion over Hawkins' first name, and the fact that some of the children shaved a few years off their ages in the census info I had, and there were a lot of Hawkins births in Compton and Little Coxwell around that time to different parents, I wasn't ready to call it a certainty yet.
The one frustration so far is that I haven't found Richard BB Hawkins, born abt 1825, in anything earlier than the 1871 census, when he said he was born at Compton Beauchamp Rectory. I can't figure out why records of what I believe were his siblings born either side of him are on family search, but not him. That's why I'm hoping to find him living with Rev Hawkins in 1841 just to confirm he was his son.
Incidentally, in 1881 6 sisters and one brother, all unmarried, were still living together. Does make you wonder what kind of upbringing they had, and whether shaving a few years off the oldest daughters ages was an attempt to keep them marriageable longer.
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AngelaR
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Hi Huron
I've used Nell's lookup to check the original and I think what happened is that the transcriber saw the list of initials and thought they were all part of a first name. He's definitely down as Jo C C B Hawkins (actually doesn't really look anything like Samuel, but perhaps thats because I know what it should look like  )
I've also checked back on the 1841 but none of the family (and they certainly have pretty unusual names) appears in Wiltshire then. It looks to me like they could still be in Compton Beauchamp (Oxfordshire) at that point. If you can't find them there in 1841 perhaps they were on the road somewhere (or staying with friends in London?). When more of the 1841 is indexed, they may well turn up, with any luck!
Best wishes
Angela
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Huron
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Thanks for taking the time to look for me. It is looking like they were in transit at the time of the census. The inscription that Nell found says he'd been in Ramsbury for 41 years, and is dated 1871, so the timing's pretty close.
However, all this new information from here has led the investigation on in leaps and bounds. Nell's suggestion that his wife might be a Gregory helped me find this link: http://www.littlecoxwell.com/family-history-n/elizabeth-gregory.php which at least gives most of the info I'd hoped to find on the census. I knew John Cunningham Calland Bennet Popkin Hawkins' parents were Samuel and Sarah, and using the same logic I thought perhaps Sarah's name might have been one of John's middle names, and some googling and Family Search activity found me a Samuel Hawkins / Sarah Calland marriage at the right time and place, as well as some very interesting possible siblings of his serving in the navy, and in India (still to be confirmed). This forum has really been a great help!
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brigcs
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Hi Huron,
I thought I'd say hello as I'm investigating the Calland family. My research is based on George Calland brother of Sarah Calland.
Best wishes
Brigcs
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Huron
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Done a whole lot more research since posting these questions, and met some other people tracing the same family, and one of them has traced the Calland family back a long way in great detail. Very active in the East Indies. If you let me know your e-mail, I can try to send you some of what I have.
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brigcs
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Dear Huron,
Did you get any further with the Calland / Hawkins family?
Brig
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