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Lady Di
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MEDCALF of Ware COMPLETED thanks
« on: Monday 03 October 05 11:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi Folks,

I would like to find the parents of Benjamin MEDCALF.
He was married in 1799 to Mary SEXTON at St George in the East Stepney. They lived in WARE Herts (Chemist shop)and had 7 children (ONLY recorded in Dr Williams Library - not on IGI) The children were registered in June 1837 by Uncle Samuel Sexton with a note saying parents deceased.

No record of the death of Mary Medcalf (Sexton)
Benjamin Medcalf died May 1822 in Ware.
His will said that executors were his brothers Thomas and Joseph MEDCALF.

I cannot find any record of the three brothers born ANYWHERE.

I have copies of 2 other Wills for different Benjamin Medcalf of Ware -
First Will - Proven 1774 (he had two sons Richard & Benjamin)

Second will: Proven 1784. This Benjn had wife Elizabeth and three children Elizabeth, Jane and Thomas.

None of these people seem to be recorded in Ware or on the IGI.

Has major parts of the records for Ware not been included in IGI - has anyone else had this problem?

Militia Lists for Ware show the name of Benjamin Medcalf, Thomas Medcalf and Joseph Medcalf - are they MINE?

Is it time to give up?

Are there any other places to investigate?

I know I need help!!! Huh
Definitely going bonkers with this lot.

Thanks for reading this saga

Regards
Helpless Di
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Re: Miracle required - or time to give up!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 October 05 12:54 UTC (UK) »
Hi Di

It is not uncommon for the IGI not to record all entries from parish films, so it would be well worth hiring the Ware films and checking yourself.

But as the family seem to have been Non-Conformists (Dr Williams Library being a collection of NC records) they are more likely to have been baptised as adults.

There may well be some references to the family in the Ware Parish Chest records at HALS, especially as the children were orphaned.

Rick Smiley
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Lady Di
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Re: Miracle required - or time to give up!
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 October 05 10:29 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Rick,

I have noticed that the IGI misses about 50 years of marriages in Ware. Do you know if the Gen Records Office has parish records NOT provided to LDS (I understand this is not uncommon)?

The children were raised by the two uncles and eldest sister who was 21 at time of Ben's death - I have no problem with the children - just the records prior to 1800 - It must be just me - nobody else seems to have this problem specifically in Ware - Or do they???

I will order the Ware Parish Chest film anyway - thanks for the suggestion.

Oh well, can't say I haven't tried....

Regards
Di
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Re: Miracle required - or time to give up!
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 October 05 11:12 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Lady Di on Tuesday 04 October 05 10:29 UTC (UK)
Thanks Rick,

I have noticed that the IGI misses about 50 years of marriages in Ware. Do you know if the Gen Records Office has parish records NOT provided to LDS (I understand this is not uncommon)?

The children were raised by the two uncles and eldest sister who was 21 at time of Ben's death - I have no problem with the children - just the records prior to 1800 - It must be just me - nobody else seems to have this problem specifically in Ware - Or do they???

I will order the Ware Parish Chest film anyway - thanks for the suggestion.

Oh well, can't say I haven't tried....

Regards
Di


There seems to be a misconception here that the IGI is an index of parish registers, it is not.
The IGI is purely and simply and index of the ordinances (Baptisms, Endowments & Sealings) of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Yes it does contain names and dates extracted from some registers, but there are thousands of registers that have not been subject to their extractions and thousands of others where the extractions have derived from Bishops Transcripts rather than Parish Registers.
Also contained on the IGI are the submissions of Patrons (members of public and members of the LDS church alike) who have submitted their research some of this research is excellent some is wishful thinking.

Only use the IGI as a general pointer to what may be available.
This is not to detract from the excellent work the LDS has done and its benefit to family history.
Cheers
Guy
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Re: Miracle required - or time to give up!
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 October 05 11:44 UTC (UK) »
Hi Di

As Guy has rightly said, the IGI should only be used as a guide.  The surviving Ware registers have been deposited at HALS for safekeeping and put onto film. Ware St Mary baptisms - 1558 - 1984.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24217.0.html

If you cannot visit in person, they offer a very reasonable research service.

http://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/halsremote/halsresearch

I have checked the surviving Hertfordshire Settlement Certificates for you and I have found the following.

6 June 1766.  Jeremiah MEDCALF, wife and children, from Gt Amwell to Ware. Reference; D/P/116/8/2. 

This family may or may not be relevant to your research, but If you quote this reference to HALS, they will be able to send you a photcopy of the certificate.  Settlement certificates can quite often give useful biographical information.

Rick Smiley
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Lady Di
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Re: Miracle required - or time to give up!
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 October 05 12:04 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Rick,

I must agree with Guy - sometimes we do expect LDS to have done all our research - Point taken Guy!

Rick, you really have my attention with the Hertfordshire Settlement Certificates - am I showing my ignorance? - Are they records detailing the movement of people in or out of Herts??? Oh, please tell me more.....

Jeremiah has been noted previously on Ware Militia Lists 1758 - 1760 but I don't know (yet) if he was one of mine - I will contact HALS.

Does this mean there may be HOPE ??

Thank you Kiss
Di
 
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Re: Miracle required - or time to give up!
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 October 05 12:26 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Lady Di on Tuesday 04 October 05 12:04 UTC (UK)

Rick, you really have my attention with the Hertfordshire Settlement Certificates - am I showing my ignorance? - Are they records detailing the movement of people in or out of Herts??? Oh, please tell me more.....
 

Di

Chris Reynolds has explained what a settlement certificate is probably better than I could!

http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/topics/t020-settlement.htm

the amount of biographical information on cerificates varies enormously though, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that Jeremiah and his family are relevant, and that there is lots of useful info!

Rick Smiley
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Lady Di
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Re: Benjamin MEDCALF - Ware
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 October 05 21:46 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Rick,

Truly appreciate the lead. I have written to HALS so I will now HOPE that Jeremiah is one of mine.

Any other suggestions gratefully received.

Regards
Di
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