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Topic: Alves Parish Registers - Asher (Read 612 times)
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jclayton
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Hello,
Has anyone found any Hugh Ashers in their research. He was born in 1822 in the duffus area to another Hugh Asher and Jean Simpson
Thanks,
Justin.
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SamnJoan
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Hi
I'm trying to find an Isabel Asher, so that I can trace back the Hendrys. Isabel Asher married George Hendry and they had a son Thomas Hendry b12.04.1824, christened 20.04.1824 in Forres. I know of no other children.
Can anyone help please?
Joan
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KirstyG
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Hi Joan
I found a record of Isabel's Death. Posted on Aberdeen Board in your other thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,320256.msg2011836.html#msg2011836
There are several hundred Asher records held by LIBINDX http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
Including an Alexander Asher born 1813. Possibly from the family posted by Heather above?
Kirsty
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SamnJoan
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Thanks Kirsty. I have replied to you on the other thread.
Joan
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alastairgm
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Hi Justin,
This may help.
At the baptism of Hugh Robb, son of William Robb, farmer in Kirkhill, Duffus, and his wife Margaret Asher on 16th. October 1812 the Witnesses were:-
"Hugh Asher junr Easterton, Hugh Asher at Geddes of Calder, Elspet Smith Wester Alves"
Easterton is about 2 miles north-east of Alves and about the same distance east of Kirkhill but I've no idea where Geddes of Calder is.
I am researching the family of this William Robb and would like to find out more about his wife Margaret Asher. LIBINDX has her dying age 70 in 1850 but nothing about her parentage. William Robb was born in Alves in 1775, son of James Rob and Isobel Man but it looks as though Margaret was from Duffus and unfortunately I understand that the Duffus Marriage Register for the years 1800 to 1821 is missing so I can't find their marriage.
If you can tell me more about her I would be most grateful. Was this Hugh Asher her father or her brother, do you know?
Regards, Alastair
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Moray - (In Rafford) MacDonald, Laing, Younie.
Orkney - (In Evie.) Robertson, Sinclair, Laird.
Herefordshire - Fox, Graty.
Gloucestershire - Price, Spackman, Bourne, Tugman, Burroughs, Brassington.
Cheshire - Fox, Orrett.
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MairiD
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Hi Alisair, The nearest on SP (government records) is a Margaret Asher, b. 1790 in the parish of Duffus to James Asher and Agnes Leal. (They happen to be descendents of Ashers I researched extensively for a friend.) Notes of ages on death certificates in those days could be approximate so she could have been 60 not 70. Two Hughs; Hugh Asher b. 1772, parish of Alves, to James Asher and Elizabeth McKay.
Hugh Asher, b.1779, parish of Alves, to James Asher and Janet Skeen.
Hope this helps, Mairi.
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alastairgm
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Hi Mairi,
Yes, I'd spotted that 1790 Birth but the 1780 date was supported by Margaret's 1841 Census entry in which she gave her age as a not rounded down 59. Ten years seems a lot to be wrong about your age but, as you say, in those days ages were approximate. She probably felt ten years older than she was!
I think the James Asher/Agnes Leal parentage is probably right as at the baptisms of others of Margaret's children (e.g. James Robb 24/11/1808 - witness James Leal in Elgin) there are Leal witnesses.
I thought it was worth asking though to see if anyone had any more information.
Many thanks, Alastair
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Moray - (In Rafford) MacDonald, Laing, Younie.
Orkney - (In Evie.) Robertson, Sinclair, Laird.
Herefordshire - Fox, Graty.
Gloucestershire - Price, Spackman, Bourne, Tugman, Burroughs, Brassington.
Cheshire - Fox, Orrett.
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alastairgm
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Hi Mairi,
I have now been informed that there is a Margaret Asher born in 1780, the daughter of Hugh Asher and Janet Young of Alves. The reason she is not on SP is that she was baptised into the non-conformist Associate Congregation of Forres. However, she can be found on LIBINDX; NM003866.
The connection with the Leals still stands, I think, as two of her children had Leal witnesses.
Regards, Alastair
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Moray - (In Rafford) MacDonald, Laing, Younie.
Orkney - (In Evie.) Robertson, Sinclair, Laird.
Herefordshire - Fox, Graty.
Gloucestershire - Price, Spackman, Bourne, Tugman, Burroughs, Brassington.
Cheshire - Fox, Orrett.
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MairiD
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Hi Alastair,
So glad you have got the information you were seeking. That is very interesting about Margaret. How did you get it? Where were non-conformists buried?
I see there is a Hugh buried in Alves but no dates are given.
Re. Leals. I read they came originally from Portugal or the north west of Spain via ships bringing wine and other goods to ports on the east coast.
Re. Ashers. I tracked them to the first settlers in Moray---some brothers or cousins in the mid-16th century with names Alexander and Robert.
By the late 17th century the name was often recorded as Ashor and in the early to mid 18th century it was Ashur.
Asher is a name of Judaic origin. Trade between the northern burghs (like Inverness and Aberdeen) and the Low Countries brought Flemish settlers. Trade with the Baltic countries would also have meant incomers of Jewish origin.
Therefore it seems both the original 'Scottish' ancestors, male and female, were foreign, possibly both of Jewish families, who soon became absorbed by marriage with the locals of those Morayshire farmlands.
You will probably know all this already. It just fascinated me and I side- tracked into researching the trade-----half remembering history lessons at school!
Mairi.
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E. Lothian; Ness.
W. Lothian; Cuthbertson.
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alastairgm
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Hi Mairi,
The info. on Margaret came from a fellow researcher in the USA. I think she got it from a Local History Center of the LDS. She says the LDS have a lot of records which are not online.
Margaret and her husband William Robb had a son, also William Robb, who married a Laing relative of mine and emigrated to the States in the 1850's, eventually settling in Wheeling, WV.
I didn't know that about the origins of the Ashers and Leals. Thanks for the information.
Can't help you about non-conformist burials. I wouldn't have thought they had separate cemeteries though.
Regards, Alastair
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Moray - (In Rafford) MacDonald, Laing, Younie.
Orkney - (In Evie.) Robertson, Sinclair, Laird.
Herefordshire - Fox, Graty.
Gloucestershire - Price, Spackman, Bourne, Tugman, Burroughs, Brassington.
Cheshire - Fox, Orrett.
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