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babs7
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Hi
Could someone please do a census lookup, for a Joseph Paramor married to a Harriet Manser.
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Barbara
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philipsearching
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Hallo, Barbara. Welcome to the happy world of Rootschatting
It looks as though your couple did not marry until 1861 - FreeBMD has a marriage for Joseph Paramor and Harriet Jane Paramor (Dec 1861, Dover, vol 2a p1097).
Farthing Loe, Hougham, Kent (HO107/1632 folio 730 page 26)
William Paramor, head, 57, bailiff to (Henry Clive?), Eastry Kent.
Maria, wife, 46, Nonington Kent.
Joseph, son, 22, mariner, Tilmanston Kent
Mary, daughter, 20, servant, Tilmanston.
Richard, son, 18, ag lab, Tilmanston.
Bradley, son, 16, ag lab,Tilmanston.
Fredrick, son, 14, Tilmanston.
Henry, son, 13, Tilmanston.
Harriett, daughter, 11, Tilmanston.
Walter, son, 9, Tilmanston.
Frances, daughter, 7, Tilmanston.
London & County Bank, High Street, Tonbridge, Kent
(HO107/1615 folio 43 page 15)
Harriett Manser, servant, 15, nursemaid, Nettlestead Kent.
Harriett was nursemaid to Walter, the 4 month old son of banker Charles Parker and wife Jane.
Hope this helps
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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babs7
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Hi Philip,
Thankyou so much for your reply, I am actually trying to trace my ggggrandfather Edward Manser b 1818 Suffolk married to Harriet (unknown) in Bromley Kent children ,Walter b1846 died 1846 ,William b 1844,Edwardb 1840. Edward b 1818 and Harriet both died in 1847 she is buried in Kent he in Arlington,which I thought was in Sussex,and I can't find a trace of them anywhere,I thought this Joseph Paramor could have been him and that he changed his name, as my Edward was a mariner also. I will try and do a look up on deaths for Joseph and Harriet,this may also help.
Thankyou once again.
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Barbara
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philipsearching
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Hallo again, Barbara
Found a marriage in Kent which may help you:
Registration district: Eastry
Quarter: Dec 1847
Volume 5
Page 249
Name: Edward MANSER
There are four women on the same page, - one is Harriet Milles PAY.
This is the only Edward Manser I could find marrying in England before 1850.
I had a look for William and Edward Manser on the 1851 census but couldn't see them - but there are many possible mis-spellings so I will have another look later.
All the best
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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babs7
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Hi Philip,
Thank you for your reply on Edward Manser, I will defineately try looking for the Harriet you mentioned as it is a start,as I have no other one to go on. Does your info mention where they were married or any other details. The William and Edward(sons) migrated to Australia in 1855 with a relative,they may have gone to Sussex when both the parents died as some of their father's relations were still there. Thanks again for your help it is greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Barbara
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philipsearching
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Hallo, Barbara.
You are very welcome!
The marriage of Edward MANSER was in Eastry, Dec 1847, vol 5, p249.
Eastry is in Kent, on the eastern edge, north of Dover. It covered the following towns:
Ash, Barfreston, Betteshanger, Chillenden, Deal, Eastry, Elmstone, Eythorne, Goodnestone, Great Mongeham, Ham, Knowlton, Little Mongeham, Nonington, Northbourne, Preston by Wingham, Ripple, Sandwich, Sholden, Staple, Stourmouth, Sutton, Tilmanstone, Waldershare, Walmer, Wingham, Woodnesborough, Worth.
Still no luck finding Edward or William in 1851. It could be worth closing this strand and posting a fresh request for 1841 and 1851 census lookups for the Mansers and Harriet Pay - that way you will catch more people's eyes.
All the best
Philip
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Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTowcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY Fakenham - WILLIAMSON Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK Clonakilty to Southwark - CRISPIN Lambeth - LYON Hoxton - WALTERS Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI |
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Hi Barbara
Where were Edward junior and William born and where does this information come from?
Who is the relative that they emigrated with ie. name/age/birthplace or residence etc.? Perhaps the little boys will be with them in 1851?
They must be out there somewhere 
Best wishes
Casalguidi 
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babs7
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Hi Casalguidi,
Thankyou for your message,this info I have came from a relative,I can't get in touch with,when she did our tree a long time ago, The sons of Edward Manser were Edward born 25/9/1840 and William born 10/7/1844 and Walter born 29/8/1846 died 10/10/1846 in Bromley Kent, their mother Harriott(unknown) died 15/3/1847(this is recorded in the family Bible) Edward died 9/10/1847in Bromley Kent. After they he died the children were sent to their grandparents in Australia William and Sally Manser originally from Sussex. The children were accompanied by a Harry Hyder (no dates),we think this may have been a uncle to the children as William's father was married to a Elizabeth Hyder. they migrated in 1855 aboard "The Oriental " The Edward born 25/9/1840 is my ggrandfather. I have all details after he arrived in Australia,but I think all the info on where his father was born maybe wrong as he was born in Stradbroke Suffolk and the rest of the children were born in Westham Sussex. I hope this explains it a bit better.
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Barbara
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I have found an Edward MANSER orphan age 11 b.Arlington Sussex in the Union Workhouse at Hellingly Sussex 1851 HO107/1638 folio 220 page 26. Whether that is relevant?
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babs7
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply, it maybe what I am looking for as he and his brother William Manser were orphans when their parents died, before they immigrated to Australia in 1855. does your info have a William also. If this is the case, it would defineately be them, thankyou so much for this info, it gives me more to go on.
Kind regards
Barbara
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casalguidi
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Hi Barbara
I think this could be them ...................
1841
The Union Workhouse, Tenterden, Kent 
Edward MANSER 20 not born in Kent
Harriett 15 born in Kent
Edward 1 born in Kent
HO107/476/3 folio 37 page 3
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casalguidi
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Hi again Barbara
Harriott MANSER death registered in the March quarter 1847 Bromley registration district ref. volume 5 page 35 or 36 (hard to see). It's quite likely that the death certificate won't give any clues as to her origins but the birth certificate for one of the children should give her maiden name. If the names and dates that you have are from the family bible then this looks to be one of them ................
Walter MANSER birth registered in the September quarter of 1846 Bromley registration district ref. volume V page 49
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babs7
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Hi Casalguidi 
Thankyou so much for that info,I live in Australia and was wondering how I go about getting all this info that sent,regarding workhouse in Kent and death certificates etc. The children I will apply for them over in South Australia,as I am now living in West Australia. Thankyou so much again.
Barbara
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Hi Casalguidi,
I will send away for Walter's birth Certificate, and will have a look at Ancestry com. I think this is the only way I am going to find them, I have always thought my cousin that did our tree has made some mistakes with all the Edwards and Williams,that is why I am doing my own searching,as it is strange that Harriet is buried in Bromley Kent,her husband Edward is buried in Arlington Sussex. When their son Edward (b 1840)came to Australia,he name his house Arlington. I think I am going to get more success in Sussex. Thanks again.
Barbara
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