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lbj
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I have relatives who emigrated from Bristol and N. Ireland to Canada in the mid-1850s until early 1860s. By 1870 they appear to have moved on to the United States. I can't find any record of them in Canada w/birth or census or immigration records. Any ideas where to look?
I've found records for the English family in Bristol England and afterward in Chicago Illinois, but want to account for their time in Canada.
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LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA
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lbj
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James Stephens b. ~1820
Harriott (Harriet) Stephens b. ~1822
Alfred, son b. 1843-44 Bristol (Bedminster) England
Julia, dau b. 1845
Keturah, dau b. 1847
Agnes, dau, b. 1850
Edwin, son b. 1854
Alice, dau b. 1856
Florence, dau b. May 1858 Canada
Frank, son b. 1865
William, son b. 1868
Those are the children I know of from census information. The last three born in Canada, the others born in Bedminster England. The birth years are +-1 yr.
The only Canadian record I have found for the family is a marriage record I found 2 yrs ago from the Ontario 1858-1869 Marriage Index for Julia Stephens and William Copeland on 1 Aug 1964. Place indicated was Ottawa; County: Carlton; microfilm 1030062. I believe I found the reference on Genealogy.com at an LDS FHC that had a subscription. It was an extraction, not an original document.
Parent information was given for her - James and Harriet Stephens
Parent information for him: Wm and Mary Copeland.
Her birthplace: Bristol, England Residence: Ottawa
His " : Ireland Residence: Ottawa
By 1870~ the couple and her family moved to Chicago Illinois, apparently missing the census there, as well as in Canada. I've never found any other information about the Copeland family, other than a later US census that indicated William was from N. Ireland.
Thank you for your interest and time on this question.
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LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA
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eillo
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 381
Sarah Page born Chilham Kent 1836 who are parents?
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Since you found a record in Ottawa for 1864, have you checked the 1861 census for that area? Also work backwards and check 1851 same area. There's no indexes so you have to order microfilm and do it screen by screen.
See http://allcensusrecords.com/canada/ and then get the film nos you need for Ottawa 1861.
See what James' occupation and religion were on the census, and use that to search for more details -- once you know the religion you can search church records for the last 3 children's births.
If he owned land, you can search land records. See http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/land.shtml for help with this
For info on Ottawa area churches see http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/interloan/crc.htm
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KENT: Fuller, Simpson, Stead, Caspall, Norris, Philpott, Elvery DEVON: Williams, Caspall SUSSEX: Simpson YORKSHIRE: Dewhirst/Dewhurst, Wormald, Hill, Schulze CANADA: McGinnis, Peer, Vollick and more Websites: AllEnglishRecords.comAllCensusRecords.com |
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eillo
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 381
Sarah Page born Chilham Kent 1836 who are parents?
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I did a bit of checking in the US records -- you seem to have all this but did you realize that with the census info from 1900 on you can find out about naturalization? Those records will give an exact date they crossed from Canada to USA - and a border entry port. It might even give more.
Also, immigration years are given. If you aren't sure what questions are asked on what census, see http://allcensusrecords.com/ There's a good explanation of each census year questions for USA and for Canada
Anyway, in case you haven't seen it, in James Stephens 1900 record he says he immigrated in 1870 (so did dau. Florence) and is Naturalized. Illinois nats can be found at http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/ Click on Illinois bottom of page, read the intro, then choose ONline records. If you come up empty, go to OFFline records for Illinois and see where to get those records.
Frank Stephens (middle initial "H") also in IL in 1900 says he was b Nov. 1864 in Canada -- that will help you when looking thro church records in Ottawa area. Claims imm. date of 1865 - may or may not be correct. He too is naturalized
Not sure if I found Edwin, the guy I found in IL in 1900 says he was born Sept 1853, imigrated 1859 and is naturalized. But the same guy in 1920 says he imm. in 1865....
Did you check out the Alfred Stephens, age 37 b Eng lviving in Ottawa, Carleton Co. ON in 1880?? Could he be Alfred the son you mention being b 1843/1844? He's got a wife Mary and kids Mable, Edward and Edith.
I hope you can find their nat. records! Oh, almost forgot, since James claims to be a "confectioner" and a "baker" in the census records I saw, you may want to check Ottawa area newspapers for the years he lived there - he may have had a store of some sort.
I can't remember the site for the list of Ontario newspapers that are available in those years but i know there's a link at the Ontario Genealogy Research section of Olive Tree. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ Choose Ontario Newspapers on this page
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KENT: Fuller, Simpson, Stead, Caspall, Norris, Philpott, Elvery DEVON: Williams, Caspall SUSSEX: Simpson YORKSHIRE: Dewhirst/Dewhurst, Wormald, Hill, Schulze CANADA: McGinnis, Peer, Vollick and more Websites: AllEnglishRecords.comAllCensusRecords.com |
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lbj
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To Eillo: Thank you so very much for all the time and effort you have put into this search for my GGG-grandfather's family. I am going to SLC, Utah at the end of the month and will try to see the films for the Ottawa census records. I appreciate the research tips. I'm totally new to Canadian research.
Re the US records. I have checked them and was unable to find more than the year of naturalization--no info as to port of entry and specific date. I plan to research further on the nat. records in Illinois. I will follow the leads you gave me.
I am running into different dates of naturalization for family members in different census years (not just in this family line). There appears to be a lot of error there. I have checked the 1870 US census for Frank and Edwin (and all Stephens) in Illinois. I don't find them. I can't figure out why the boys would emigrate at such young ages while the parents are still in Canada until 1870. Their married sister Julia didn't emigrate to Illinois until 1870 either.
Unfortunately I don't know the mother Harriet Stephens' maiden name to see if she had family there she might have sent the children on to live with. It just seems unlikely as the entire family was living together in 1880.
How did you find Alfred Stephens in Ottawa in 1880? I believe it very well may be their son. Please let me know your source. I would like to get a copy of the record for my research files. Once again, I can't thank you enough for all you have done. I really appreciate all the information. Have a great day.
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LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA
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eillo
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 381
Sarah Page born Chilham Kent 1836 who are parents?
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Re the US records. I have checked them and was unable to find more than the year of naturalization--no info as to port of entry and specific date.
The port of entry plus other details will only be found in the actual Naturalization Records - First papers, petition, etc. Before 1906, the declaration of intent generally contains more genealogically useful information than the petition. Petitions before 1906 usually show only a name, former allegiance, and date of naturalization. The declaration may include the alien's exact date of immigration into the United States. After 1906 it's the opposite. btw I took a quick look at http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/il_offlinedb.shtml and Cook Co.IL has been indexed for naturalization records 1840-1950
I am running into different dates of naturalization for family members in different census years (not just in this family line). There appears to be a lot of error there. I can't figure out why the boys would emigrate at such young ages while the parents are still in Canada until 1870. Their married sister Julia didn't emigrate to Illinois until 1870 either.
The year of nat and of imm is one of the most MISremembered of all - so you can't trust the census info to be accurate on that. But it is likely close. Remember that the boys were little when they immigrated and it's very probable that they simply didn't know the exact year. They probably just 'guestimated' when asked. (Frank thinks "oh i remember I was little, I was just a baby I think,... so maybe 1865") In reality Frank may have been 5 or 6 years old, making it later. Or as you suggested maybe they were sent on ahead...
How did you find Alfred Stephens in Ottawa in 1880?
http://www.familysearch.org/ the online 1881 (sorry, not 1880) census for Canada.
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KENT: Fuller, Simpson, Stead, Caspall, Norris, Philpott, Elvery DEVON: Williams, Caspall SUSSEX: Simpson YORKSHIRE: Dewhirst/Dewhurst, Wormald, Hill, Schulze CANADA: McGinnis, Peer, Vollick and more Websites: AllEnglishRecords.comAllCensusRecords.com |
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lbj
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Thanks. I just checked out the Family Search.org site for the 1881 census and found the info. That had lots of info to start other searches from. I now know more specific info as to where in Ottawa to search for other family members in earlier Canada records. Thanks so much. I'll check out the naturalization records too. You've been very helpful.
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LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA
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eillo
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 381
Sarah Page born Chilham Kent 1836 who are parents?
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hi again
You probably have this already but just in case...
I think there's a good chance this is your Harriet's death
Name of Deceased Date City Age Sex Vol. Page Certificate No. County
STEPHENS, HARRIET B 05/06/1891 CHICAGO 69 YR U 00016071 COOK
You can order the full cert at http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/deathcopy.html
and this fits nicely for your James
STEPHENS, JAMES 04/24/1905 CHICAGO 85 YR U 00016785 COOK
Also suspect this might be your Frank's marriage
STEPHENS, FRANK H CORBETT, ELLA 02/22/1888 / 00124271 COOK
You can get a copy of the cert by going to http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/marrcopy.html
and here is the Edwin I found in the census records
STEPHENS, EDWIN H LALANDE, EFFIE D 12/08/1880 / 00050355 COOK
Good luck
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KENT: Fuller, Simpson, Stead, Caspall, Norris, Philpott, Elvery DEVON: Williams, Caspall SUSSEX: Simpson YORKSHIRE: Dewhirst/Dewhurst, Wormald, Hill, Schulze CANADA: McGinnis, Peer, Vollick and more Websites: AllEnglishRecords.comAllCensusRecords.com |
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lbj
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You're Awesome! Those are the right people. I haven't been able to find death records at all for them, or marriage dates/records. Thank you so much.
Did you find those in the SSDI? What search engine are you using?
I've been searching with Ancestry.com mostly. I've also been trying to find a death record for my GG-grandfather William Copeland, b. ~1840 who married Julia Stephens, James' and Harriet's daughter. He supposedly died while digging a well between 1876-1880. Their home was Dickinson Cty., Kansas. That is off the topic of Canada (though he also was an immigrant from Ireland to Canada). If you have any suggestions, I'd appreciate the research hints.
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LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA
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eillo
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 381
Sarah Page born Chilham Kent 1836 who are parents?
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Did you find those in the SSDI? What search engine are you using?
I love Ancestry.com too - and it's great, I use it all the time -- but there are lots of other databases online and available for searching. 
For this search, I almost didn't tell you about it as I thought you'd probably already uncovered it and might be insulted I was suggesting it! That's the problem with trying to help, you're never sure exactly where the person has looked and what they've found -- and some folks get testy if you suggest something they already know about.
Illinois is one of those places that has some great databases online. I used the Illinois State Archives at http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html I know it sounds off topic for Canada immigration but since your guys went to Canada first then on to IL and Kansas, you need to get the USA records to find out what they say about their Canadian settlement or migration. Hopefully the moderator of this forum is okay with this.
I'll have to check my lists for Kansas, see what is available for online databases. If I can find any I will PM you here on Rootschat. Don't overlook the other URLs I've been giving you, they are all really good for finding ancestors
Glad what I've managed to find is proving useful!
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KENT: Fuller, Simpson, Stead, Caspall, Norris, Philpott, Elvery DEVON: Williams, Caspall SUSSEX: Simpson YORKSHIRE: Dewhirst/Dewhurst, Wormald, Hill, Schulze CANADA: McGinnis, Peer, Vollick and more Websites: AllEnglishRecords.comAllCensusRecords.com |
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MJP
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Posts: 1107
Great-grandfather Private Arthur Henry Prior
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Hi lbj,
Civil registration by the provincial government in Ontario started in 1869, so your Alfred Stephens is right in the transition period. His marriage will be in the pre-1869 records, which were organized by registration district and transcribed by County Clerks.
The birth of the first child, Mabel, could be either pre-1869 or maybe in 1869, considering she is 12 in the 1881 census. The births of the other two children are clearly in the post-1869 period.
All of these records are held at the Archives of Ontario and you can order the microfilm through inter-library loan to view it at your local library or LDS Family History Center. (The LDS has their own numbering system for the films, different than the Archives, but they have easy number conversion charts if it through them that you are ordering the films.)
The records that are clearly pre-1869, those in the transition years, and those clearly post-1869 are organized in slightly different ways, but it usually involves ordering the Index microfilm, using that to find the reference number for the person you are looking for, then ordering another reel that has the actual record on it. (And that will be the original hand-written record in most cases, not a transcription). Of course, the birth and marriage indexes are not on the same reel, so you will end up ordering many reels to find all of the records you want
The best way to find out what reels you need is to use the "Pathfinders" on the Ontario Archives web-site (one each for birth, marriage, death)http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/interloan/vsmain.htm#intro
Alternatively, of course, you can keep checking this volunteer transcription site http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ and wait until they post your family!  This is Ontario's equivalent to freeBMD - it is by volunteer submission, so it is not complete. I could not find any of your Stephens on it yet.
For your reference, the City of Ottawa is in Carleton County, as previously mentioned. And pre-1869 it is conveniently called the Ottawa District.
Sorry for the long-winded response! Happy hunting...
Martha
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Information given in census transcriptions is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire), Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland) |
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lbj
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MJP-Thank you very much for all that helpful information. I'll follow up on it. Sounds like I'll be looking through a few rolls of film, but at least I can narrow the area down a bit.
Alternatively, of course, you can keep checking this volunteer transcription site http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ and wait until they post your family! This is Ontario's equivalent to freeBMD - it is by volunteer submission, so it is not complete. I could not find any of your Stephens on it yet. I had not heard of that site before. Thanks for the tip. Have a great day.
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LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA
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KarenM
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My Grandpa Stanley has the hanky in his pocket
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Hi there,
I was out at the library tonight looking up bmd's indexes in Ontario and quickly looked up births for Stephens (they were flashing the lights to get out) and I'm not sure if this one is yours but I found:
Edward Malloch Stephens, Carleton August 18, 1869 Reg. #00151569
Stephens, (no name), Ottawa October 16, 1870, Reg. #22197671
My library does not have the microfilm for the registration. I will be going to the Ontario Archives in Toronto within the next week or two so if no one else looks them up, I can have a peek for you.
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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lbj
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To: Karen M. Thank you for taking your time to check on the Stephens line for me. I kind of doubt the Edward Malloch Stephens b. 1869 is the correct one in my line. BUT...I'm not positive. I think the family of Alfred and Mary Stephens that show up in the 1881 Census of Canada are the right family. That Edward would have been born in ~1871. No middle name is shown. I want to order the film FHL #1375865 or NA film #C-13229, Dist. 105, sub-district A, Division 2, Pg 143, Household #678 and check it out.
I'd like to know where the family was in 1861 and when they actually emigrated from England. I'll be going to the LDS FHC in Salt Lake at the end of the month and am planning on checking out films for English parish records as well as any Canadian records that might be relevant. It sounds though from the previous post that I might have to order the Canadian films in advance from the FHC library. Thank you for your time and efforts in my family's behalf. Have a wonderful day.
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LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA
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