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bhandley
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My great grandmother Emma Handley nee MORRIS was born 1843 in Stoke St Milborough, Shropshire.
She married John Han(d)ley dob 1842 who was also from Shropshire.
Would like to know about the Morris family that she came from.
Any information would be interesting.
Barbara Handley
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Lloydy
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Hello Barbara
Have you found Emma and John on any of the census returns? What year were they married?
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bhandley
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Thanks for your interest. I found Emma and John Hanley on the 1881 census. (LDS)
No marriage date I am afraid.
A kind person aw, has told me that also on that site, Emma was christened on 14 June 1845 at Stoke St Milborough, parents, James and Mary Morris. I don't know what I am doing wrong but even given this info by aw, I could not trace it, although I completely trust it as I am a novice and it all fits.
Regards
Barbara Handley
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Lloydy
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Hi again Barbara
Firstly, the christening that was found on the LDS "might" be the right Emma, but not necessarily so.
On FreeBMD I have found the following births in the Ludlow district:
Births Sep 1843
Morris Emma Ludlow Vol 18 Page 70
Births Dec 1844
MORRIS Emma Ludlow Vol 18 Page 67
Births Jun 1845
MORRIS Emma Ludlow Vol 18 Page 83
Ludlow
Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Shropshire, but included parts of Herefordshire.
Sub-districts : Cainham; Diddlebury; Leintwardine; Ludlow; Munslow.
GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6a (1852-1930).
Abdon, Ashford Bowdler, Ashford Carbonell, Bitterley, Bromfield, Caynham, Clee St. Margaret, Cold Weston, Culmington, Diddlebury, East Hamlet, Halford, Heath, Holdgate, Hope Bagot, Hopton Cangeford, Leintwardine North Side (1837-95), Ludford, Ludlow, Ludlow Castle, Munslow, Onibury, Richard's Castle, Stanton Lacy, Stoke St. Milborough, Stokesay, Tugford.
Registers now divided between Ludlow and Leominster districts.
Any of the 3 could be your Emma.
Do you definitely know either of her parents names?
Jan
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Lloydy
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1871 census
RG10/3039, folio 20, page 11
The Fern Cottages, Whatmore, Shropshire
John Hanley Head age 31 Waggoner born Coreley
Emma Hanley Wife age 28 born Stoke St Milborough
Emma Hanley Daughter age 6 born Bitterley
Edwin Hanley Son age 4 born Bitterley
John Hanley Son age 2 born Burford
Elizabeth Hanley Daughter age 3 months born Burford
All born in Shropshire
1891 census
RG12/2082, folio 19, pge 5
Cumberley Lane, Cainham, Shropshire
John Handley Head age 49 Shepherd born Coreley
Emma Handley Wife age 45 born Stoke St Milborough
William Handley Son age 14 born Stanton Lacy
Alice Handley Daughter age 12 born Ashford
Herbert Handley Son age 9 born Ashford
Jane Handley Daughter 7 born Ashford
Mary Ann Handley Daughter 4 born Caynham
Agnes A Handley Daughter 2 born Caynham
All born in Shropshire
1901 census
RG13/2505, folio 69, page 15
Bitterley, Shropshire
John Hanley Head age 59 Cowman Ag Cattle born coreley
Emma Hanley Wife age 55 born Stoke St Milborough
Agnes Annie Hanley Daughter age 12 born Caynham, Shropshire
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Lloydy
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In the 1861 John and Emma weren't married.
RG9/1837, folio 54, page 1
Bitterley, Shropshire
(Servant for a farmer William Small & wife Mary)
John Handley Servant Unmarried age 22 born Coreley Shropshire
Emma is proving more difficult!!! There are a couple of possibilities for her which I will look into further before posting.
Jan
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bhandley
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The only definite information I have about Emma is that her surname of Morris is given on my grandfather John Handley's birth certificate. DOB 23rd August 1868 in Nash.The birth was registered at Tenbury, county of Worcester, Salop and Hereford.
Barbara
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Lloydy
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Here's a possibility for Emma in 1861
RG9/1837, folio 44, page 9
Bitterley, Shropshire
Edward Morris Head Married 72 Coal Miner born Cainham Salop
Ann Morris Wife 77 Coal Miner's Wife born Salop Kingswinwest (hard to read ?? - there is a Kingswinford in Staffordshire)
Emma Morris Daughter 16 born Salop Bitterley
Benjamin Morris Son 10 born " "
Matthew Morris Son 7 born " "
Look at the parents ages  The children are definitely listed as daughter/son and not grandchildren!!!!
There is another Morris family in Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG9/8071, folio 90, page 23
Jane Morris Head Widow 43 born Canum (incorrect spelling by the enumerator!!!) Salop
Thomas Morris Son 21 Coal Miner
Emma Morris Daughter 17
William Morris Son 13 Scholar
Jane Morris Daughter 11
Eliza Morris Daughter 9
Eliza Morris Daughter 6 (obviously another enumerator's error here - repeated the name Eliza on the next line!!!!)
All the family were born in Canum (Cainham) Salop.
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The fantastic restoration and colour of my Avatar picture was done by Rootschatter PolldollAshton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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bhandley
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Jan
Thanks again for your help.
I am unable to think of any knockout factors for either of the Emmas.
Incidentally I live very close to Kingswinford, which is now part of Dudley, West Midlands.
Barbara
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