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Topic: Milord Hack is looking for a Butler (Read 455 times)
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Hackstaple
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Fellow Rootschatters - usually I am the helper but I have a thorny one that somebody may just have the key to. This is the second wife of my wife's paternal grandfather and I am helping her half-cousin research his side of the family. What we have:
The Archives in Cape Town have the following information:
Death of Alice Riley - maiden name Alice Frances Butler - died 20 Mar 1943 - age 73 years & 7 months - born October 1869, England. Husband's name Charles Riley [died 1942]. You will already have spotted a error in calculation in her exact age at date of death!
A search on Ancestry and then on 1837online revealed only one Alice Frances Butler Dec. 1865 Bethnal Green 1c p. 325 - there are others born near the date but birth records on 1837online always show a second Christian name if given. The 1865 does not worry me as she seems to have married at asomething about age 30 and a maiden lady of those days might easily knock off a few years to help with finding a husband and then stick with that story.
OK so far? - there is a family legend that she was the daughter of a Doctor of "Cheltenham" - these people live in South Africa so any vaguely similar name might do.
I find no Alice that fits in 1871 or 1881 and no Dr. Butler with a daughter Alice in 1881.
She married Charles Riley about 1894 or 1895 - nobody knows if this was in England or South Africa.
She had a son who was sent to a private boarding school in England - Tollington in the Muswell Hill area. So, I have tried to find her round there in '81 and '91 on the basis that she would hardly have picked a school with which she had no familiarity. There were some pretty good boarding schools in South Africa, even back then so it was not a normal thing to do. I formed the idea that her parents may have lived in that area - perhaps he was not a boarder but a day scholar living at their home.
I doubt whether anybody will want to spend a week on this as I have but perhaps someone may have this Dr. Butler or one of his children in their own blood line.
Lastly - her third son - not the one who went to Tollington, was christened Charles Henry de Beauvoir Riley. The de Beauvoir bit intrigues me. The others were Ernest, Cecil Myer, Violet Isobel so no fancypants middle names there. Does that offer any clue? There was a de Beauvoir St. in East London [England], I think Hackney.There was a de Beauvoir in the 1891 census but none before or after that I have found.
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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trish251
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Milord
It seems we mere mortals have not been able to suggest any possibilities for your doctor ancestor. I beg to mention that I have a number of folks with the name of Butler - from it seems Middlesex - in my family tree. Being as they belonged to the lower classes - a father mentioned as occupation servant on his daughters marriage record, and also recorded as a Butler (no pun intended) in 1851 - they are unlikely to be part of your family. I am, however, researching them futher at the minute, so thought to post a note on this thread, in case I do come across a doctor amid those in service.
Respectfully yours
Trish
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Hackstaple
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Hi Trish - I suppose all of the Butlers were originally in service. I have a lot of scepticism about old Alice's personal history as I have not yet found anything to support it.
But, whilst we search here is a Happy Christmas wish for you  
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Fransmoi
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Quite a long shot but I dare not respond - just in case !
My great grandfather Alexander Mackenzie an accountant ,when widowed went off to South Africa and married a widow there.Her name was Annie Maud Cornwell nee Butler.
They had a child Douglas in 1899 and she was again widowed in 1890 when Alexander died in Matjestfontein of lung disease. They lived at Barberton when the child was born so it's likely he was mining for gold and caught lung disease there.
She gave her address as c/o Mrs Butler ( her mother?) of Wales Street, Cape Town thus it seems likely the Butler family lived there.
Hope it helps.
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Hackstaple
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Thanks Fransmoi but the lady I am looking for was definitely Alice Butler and was married to Charles Riley from about 1894 or so until he died in 1942.
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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