Henry Childer Hall (COMPLETED)

[torre]

I am at my wits end trying to find Henry Childer Hall.

He is named on the marriage certificate of his daughter Eliza, at her marriage to William Green on 26 Dec 1843 at St Mary's, Lambeth. (On the marriage certificate his occupation is given as Smith and he is deceased)  I assume he was a blacksmith

Eliza's name is Hall, so I assume that Childer must be Henry's middle name.

From various census it appears that Eliza was born in Bristol.

I have no idea where or when Henry Childer was born or died.  So I may have put this on the wrong board.
He could have been born in Bristol and died there or he may have died in London.

The only reference I can find for Henry is his daughter's marriage certificate and the writing is very clear.

Although William and Eliza were married in London, on various census forms William is stated as being born in Colchester.

I know this posting is a bit fragmented, but I've tried to give all the information, I've got in the hope that someone will be able to point me in the right direction.

Fingers crossed and thanks for reading this

[Captain2]

Trying to work out the family first .... is this Eliza in the 1851 census?
HO107/1565/F252  7 Alfred Place Southwark Surrey
William Green. Head. 32. Wood Sawyer. b. Colchester Essex
Eliza Green. Wife. 27. b. Bristol, Somerset
Emma Green. Daug. 8. b. Lambeth, Surrey
William Green. Son. 4. b. Lambeth, Surrey
Thomas Green. Son. 2. b. St Georges, Surrey
Although there is no reference to 'Childer' I wonder
could this be Eliza ?
https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aeliza~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahall~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1820-1830~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AHenry~%20%2Bfather_surname%3AHall~

 

[torre]

Thanks Captain2

That is the family in the 1851 census. I have also found them in 1861.

I don't know if the Eliza Hall, Baptised 4 Feb 1827, is my Eliza. On the census she is described as born about 1823. Although she could have been four years old when Baptised.  And there is no 'Childer', so who knows?

The birth date is also vague on the census but I've come to the conclusion that some people just made it up as they went.

I haven't found Eliza in 1841 census.  I am hoping that she is with her parents or at least her mother (if Henry Childer was already dead) and I might get a few more dates and places to juggle with.

The problem is, Eliza Hall is a very common name. And the 1841 census doesn't give a place of birth. Just out of this county.

I've been jiggling with the name Henry Childer Hall and the only thing I can find is Eliza's marriage certificate.
I've tried Childer-Hall and Childerhall.
So I think Childer must be a middle name.

[Galium]

You might like to consider the possibility that Henry is actually Henry Tudor Hall.

A Henry Tudor Hall s/o William and Lydia was born at Long Ashton, Somerset (about 4 miles from Bristol) in 1802 - shown on familysearch.

One son (another Henry Tudor) of Henry Tudor Hall and Elizabeth was baptized at St John the Evangelist, Lambeth in 1832.  Henry is a blacksmith.

Marriages of children of Henry Tudor Hall (smith)
William Hall m Mary Ann Broom 1841 Lambeth St John the Evangelist (one witness is a James Green)

Elizabeth Tudor Hall m David Thomas Wardle 1857 St Mary, Lambeth (Elizabeth's father is deceased)

George Tudor Hall m Sarah Crockett 1858  St George the Martyr

There is also a Maria Hall d/o Henry Hall (smith) deceased who married Henry James Pitcher at St Mary, Lambeth 1854

and a widower Matthew Hall marrying Hannah Sheen at Walworth St John in 1877.  Matthew's father is simply Henry Hall (deceased), but Matthew is himself a blacksmith.

There is a family of Henry and Elizabeth Hall in Lambeth in 1841 which includes children with all the above names, as well as a 15 year old Eliza.  Henry is a smith, but he and Elizabeth are aged 45. They all  are down as born in county.

[Census ref: HO107/ Piece: 1061/ Book: 6/Folio: 5/ Page: 4]

So not conclusive, although I have found the born in county/not born in county 1841 recording is not always reliable.

William Hall, smith (he is a smith in 1841)  shows up with his wife Mary Ann in 1851 in Lambeth - his birthplace is shown as Liverpool.

[torre]

That sounds very plausible.  Eliza was illiterate, so she could not check the marriage certificate. And if the person completing it was a bit deaf, Childer could sound like Tudor.

I've got a lot of digging to do now.

Thank you both very much for your replies, it's been very useful

[tisha]

Hi, Henry was Henry Tudor Hall a great----- grandfather of my Husband.
Pat