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Title: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: vcmt2008 on Monday 11 January 10 17:51 GMT (UK)
I'm looking at a page of the 1841 Census, and it appears that there are a lot of younger people (age 15-25) that have occupations listed F.S. (for females) and M. S. (for males).

I'm sure the answer is obvious, but could someone please enlighten me?

Thanks,
Holly
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 11 January 10 17:53 GMT (UK)
Female servant
Male servant   ;D

Rosie
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: vcmt2008 on Monday 11 January 10 17:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks! 
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 11 January 10 17:59 GMT (UK)
Thats ok - I used to think it was farm servant, probably cos all mine were ag labs

Rosie
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 11 January 10 22:05 GMT (UK)
These are the official abbreviations used in the censuses
Ag. Lab. 1841-81 Agricultural labourer
Ap. 1841-61 Apprentice
Army 1841 Members of HM land forces of whatever rank
Cl. 1841-61 Clerk
FS. 1841 Female servant
H.P. 1841 Members of HM armed forces on half-pay
Ind. 1841 Independent - people living on their own means
J. 1841 Journeyman
M. 1841 Manufacturer
m. 1841 Maker - as in 'Shoe m.'
MS 1841 Male servant
Navy 1841 Members of HM naval forces, including marines,
of whatever rank
P. 1841 Pensioners in HM armed forces
Rail Lab. 1851 Railway labourer
Serv. 1861 Servant
Sh. 1841 Shopman


Stan
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 12 January 10 08:44 GMT (UK)
Thank you Stan thats really useful, well worth saving  ;D

Rosie
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: Scotsquinne on Thursday 15 September 16 18:45 BST (UK)
Just found this thread by chance..... Have just come across two M S in an 1841 but they were aged only 7 & 10 years old!  I too thought that FS was Farm Servant, but seen as it listed on the same particular census, it must mean Female Servant.  Talk about working at a young age!  :o
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 15 September 16 18:55 BST (UK)
  Talk about working at a young age!  :o

In 1842 an Act was passed  forbiding the employment of boys under ten in coal mines, so I think being a servant would be preferable
Stan
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: Scotsquinne on Thursday 15 September 16 19:07 BST (UK)
  Talk about working at a young age!  :o

In 1842 an Act was passed  forbiding the employment of boys under ten in coal mines, so I think being a servant would be preferable
Stan

These were employed on the farm.... what a thought tho, youngsters down the coal mines  :o
Lynn
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: Argyle on Monday 20 March 17 23:05 GMT (UK)
I have come across the same abbrev in 1841 census M.L.  and F.L.  or it could be M.S. and F.S.    It does not relate to gender because I have a Mary Batty aged 60 who is M.L.
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: majm on Tuesday 21 March 17 01:04 GMT (UK)
I have come across the same abbrev in 1841 census M.L.  and F.L.  or it could be M.S. and F.S.    It does not relate to gender because I have a Mary Batty aged 60 who is M.L.

Hi there,  :)

Welcome to RootsChat, great place for help with family history.

I think your Mary BATTY in 1841  was with a Joseph BATTY aged 65, and that the enumerator has recorded Joseph's occupation against Mary rather than against Joseph.    I think you will find that the enumerator wrote "M.S." and that is the abbreviation in 1841 UK census for Male Servant. 

I attach snip of part of one page from 1841, Salford to show Joseph without an occupation, and further down the page there's a Thomas as " M.S."

And further down the page (but not in the snip), in Thomas' household there's a lass named Sarah, clearly an S and not an L.

 :)

JM
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: Argyle on Tuesday 21 March 17 06:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you ... that makes sense.
Title: Re: F. S. / M. S. as occupation in 1841 UK Census
Post by: GrahamSimons on Tuesday 21 March 17 12:38 GMT (UK)

These were employed on the farm.... what a thought tho, youngsters down the coal mines  :o
Lynn

See for instance https://museum.wales/articles/2011-04-11/Children-in-Mines/ which has the quotation:
Susan Reece, also six years of age and a door keeper in the same colliery said: 'I have been below six or eight months and I don't like it much. I come here at six in the morning and leave at six at night. When my lamp goes out, or I am hungry, I run home. I haven't been hurt yet.'