MESSER Harry Thomas b1871 Ayot StPeters Hertfordshire

[mandaley]

Hi All
Wondered if anyone has come across Harry Thomas MESSER b1871  who married Flora Emily BALLS in 1897 Suffolk. Believe his parents were Albert and Hannah who according to census had five other children - Alice, Alfred, Albert, Cordelia, Hannah.
Not sure if they lived in St Albans or Harpenden or Wheathampstead. Have seen a page by a Val MESSER about the Messer of Wheathampstead but no match maybe.
Thanks

[[Ray]]

Hi

HTM and FEM are in Harpenden in 1901 with a daughter Elsie Kathleen

Regards

[[Ray]]

Hi

In 1881, again Harpenden (Harpenden Cottage), Hannah is a widow with 6 children

Hannah, Cordelia, Albert, Harry, Alfred, Alice.

1891 Harry seems to be in Marylebone, Draper's Assistant in a lodging house.

Regards

[[Ray]]

Hi

1871 Albert and Hannah + 3 children + niece + "staff" were in the Horse&Jockey in AyotStPeter

Regards

[alimag]

Hi somebody on the norfolk lookup requests  site researching balls family might be of some help.

regards alan

[mandaley]

Thanks everyone. All very helpful. Will have a look on the Norfolk forum too. Mandaley

[trish1120]

Hi Mandaley,
Possible Marriage from FreeBMD;
Albert MESSER
Hannah TYE, September 1863, Woodbridge, 4a 877

1871 census under MASSER;
"Horse and Jockey" Ayot Green,
Ayot St Peter, Hertfordshire
RG10/1375/66/6
Albert MESSER, 29, Head, Mar, Publican, born Ayot St Peter, Herts
Hannah, 34, Wife, Mar, born Hasketon, Suffolk
Hannah, 6, Daug, born Lingwood, Herts
Cordelia J, 4, Daug, born Ayot, Herts
Albert E, 2, Son, born Ayot, Herts
Hannah MARTIN, 13, Neice, born Hasketon, Suffolk

Info on Ayot Green and the "Horse and Jockey"
http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/places/places-a/ayot-st-peter.htm

Trish

[trish1120]

1851 Census Albert is with his Father and siblings;
HO107/1712/272/8
John MESSER, 50, Head, W, Annuitant, born Whitewell, Herts
Edward, 19, Son, born Ayot
Jane, 15, Daug, born Ayot
ALBERT, 9, Son, born Ayot

1841 Census
Ayot Green,
Ayot St Peter, Herts
HO107/436/3/St Peter Ayot
John MESSER, 40, Publican
Charlotte, 40
James, 10
Edward, 8
Jane, 5
All born in County
Living nearby are;
James Messer, 45, Farmer, Wife and child Emma, 13 and Thomas Messer, 40, Assistant to James and his Son Edward aged 20.
These are probably Brothers of John.

[trish1120]

1861 Hannah TYE is a Servant in Hasketon, Suffolk
RG9/1167/91/1
1851 as well HO107/1801/132/3

1841 Census
Hasketon, Suffolk
HO107/1020/9/Hasketon
John TYE, 35, Ag Lab
Sarah, 35
Emma, 10
HANNAH, 7
John, 4
Sarah, 4mths
All born in County

Marriage;
Emma TYE, Sept 1856, Woodbridge, 4a 879
On the same page is William MARTIN

So this proves that Hannah was a TYE as Neice Hannah Martin is with them in 1871 census the Daughter of Hannahs Sister Emma