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I'm searching for an illegitimate child of Joseph Scoullar.
Joseph was living with his Uncle in Dunedin & according to rumor he got the maid pregnant,this would have been in the 1870's,& was then kicked out of the house.
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this may be the case:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ODT18760504.2.21&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----2joseph+scoullar--
Leanne
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Hi karoa
Mmm .... the case was adjourned - you can read the outcome
in same newspaper == 11 May 1876 - Resident Magistrate's Court. [Also published in "Otago Witness" - different dates but appears to be exactly the same wording. ]
The mother of the child is named as Mary MAHON (daughter of Robert MAHON).
Usually in this type of situation, the child's birth would be registered in the mother's surname.
As the case went to court around mid-year, you might assume that the child had been born in 1876 ?
The Birth Index can be searched here >>
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search
~ Lu
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The only 1876 MAHON birth registration is for a child named "David Hughan" -- parents : Mary and Robert MAHON.
Sadly this child died, aged 16 months in 1877.
He is buried at Dunedin with a number of other family members (including a Robert and Mary).
[It's unknown if this couple were also the parents of Mary MAHON.]
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz
>> "find a cemetery record"
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~ Lu
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This looks "interesting".
If you go back to the Dunedin cemetery database, you'll see the following burial of baby :
MAHON - Baby - aged 1 week
Died: 4 April 1876
Buried : Northern Cemetery
Last address: Flag Swamp, Otago
[Shares plot with two others. This may be a pauper's grave ?]
I cannot see a registration on the index of this child's birth.
[When an infant died shortly after its birth, it was not all that unusual (in that era) to find that only the death had been registered.]
Maybe this babe is a possibility ??
~ Lu
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Another point of interest ...
The case against Joseph SCOULLAR, (Robert MAHON seeking on behalf of his daughter Mary, "expenses incurred in connection with her confinement"), was of course, dismissed.
The Court reports don't even mention "the child".
It is perhaps curious that confinement expenses only, are being sought ?
If the child was (still) alive, then surely Mr SCOULLAR would have been called upon to pay maintenance for it's upbringing ??
~ Lu
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Thank you for your help.
The only reason I know about this child/relationship is that a distant relative on the uncle's side told me of the child & he found out when a GRAHAM SCOULLAR visit him searching the family tree,unfortunately he didn't take his contact details,but did mention he worked for a TV station in NZ,but I haven't been able to trace Graham.
If you follow the rugby(saw your flag) Good luck,my hubby is a Kiwi & I'm an Aussie.
Kim
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http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INNES/2008-04/1209454271
Wonder if this is the same Joseph?
PM
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Hi Kim
If you do a Google search > "Graham Scoullar + new zealand" you'll find several references to this man (he's likely the chap on the "oldfriends - Otago" network ?) ... so you should, easily I hope, be able to make contact with him. :)
~ Lu
[Aah ... rugby, yes - I'm a mum of sons, so there's no escaping it. ;D Cheers ... and returning best wishes for the Wallabies tonite ... I'll sure be rooting for them. :) ]
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If you go back to the Dunedin cemetery database, you'll see the following burial of baby :
MAHON - Baby - aged 1 week
Died: 4 April 1876
Buried : Northern Cemetery
Last address: Flag Swamp, Otago [/color]
[Shares plot with two others. This may be a pauper's grave ?]
Maybe this babe is a possibility ??
~ Lu
Flag Swamp between Waikouiaiti and Palmerston is miles too far away to be called Dunedin in those times and even now. Everything else seems a likely possibility. Cannot find any item on Papers past connecting Mahon with Flag Swamp
Signal Hill
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"David Hughan" MAHON - Parents Mary and Robert MAHON.
The only 1876 MAHON birth registration is for a child named "David Hughan" -- parents : Mary and Robert MAHON.
Sadly this child died, aged 16 months in 1877.
He is buried at Dunedin with a number of other family members (including a Robert and Mary).
[It's unknown if this couple were also the parents of Mary MAHON.]
~ Lu
MAHON Robert 21y [x-his mark] married HUGHAN Mary 18y 05 Feb 1856 at First Church Dunedin
SH
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The only 1876 MAHON birth registration is for a child named "David Hughan" -- parents : Mary and Robert MAHON.
Sadly this child died, aged 16 months in 1877.
He is buried at Dunedin with a number of other family members (including a Robert and Mary).
[It's unknown if this couple were also the parents of Mary MAHON.]
~ Lu
Robert & Mary in the Cemeteries record match age-wise to the Robert & Mary marriage in First Church
Cemeteries record for this family have addresses in Halfway Bush for MAHONs Alexander, Catherine Gillespie, Gordon Ewen, and James
Also shows Jessie GILLESPIE a native of Halfway Bush (Now Western and highest suburb of Dunedin City)
Robert's last Address was Deep Stream [a remote rural Address half way to Middlemarch]
Mary MAHON nee HUGHAN would have been 38 when David Hughan MAHON was born.
My best guess therefore is that David Hughan MAHON buried in the family plot was son of Robert and Mary and the likely son of Joseph SCOULLAR and Mary MAHON is the one buried in the Northern Cemetery. This would tie in with the death at 1 week and the Court case for Confinement Costs alone.
SH
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A marriage of Mary MAHON
MAHON Mary McNey 20y MAHON married HARNEISS Barton 22y 27 Jun 1877 recorded at Kaikorai Presbyterian Church Dunedin
http://www.presbyterian.org.nz/archives/synodregionmarriages.htm
This appears to be the NZ BDM Index record
1877/1218 Mary Macnee Mahon Barton Harneifs
and these appear to be children of that marriage
1880/16514 Harneiss Robert Mary Barton
1882/8668 Harneiss Kate Gillespie Mary Barton
1886/706 Harneiss James Mary Barton
1888/12304 Harneiss Mary Hughan Mary Barton
1890/18365 Harneiss George Barton Mary Barton
1893/4792 Harneiss David Hughan Mary Barton
1894/15269 Harneiss Olive Lilian Mary Barton
1896/6387 Harneiss Wilhelmina Mary Barton
1899/3517 Harneiss Walter Fraser Sherriffs Mary Barton
1900/15173 Harneiss Jeffery Alexander Mary Barton
The maiden name of Mary MAHON nee HUGHAN [Grandmother of above] seems to tie in Mary HARNEISS nee MAHON [Mother of above ] as a Daughter of Robert & Mary.
Maybe after her unhappy episode with Joseph SCOULLAR Mary settled down next year with Barton HARNEISS ?
That could mean David Hughan MAHON was the missing illegitimate child after all !
SH
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Flag Swamp between Waikouiaiti and Palmerston is miles too far away to be called Dunedin in those times and even now. Everything else seems a likely possibility. Cannot find any item on Papers past connecting Mahon with Flag Swamp
Signal Hill
But nobody's calling it Dunedin. :D
And the absence of a MAHON connection with Flag Swamp, doesn't mean that the young Mary wasn't there.
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... and the likely son of Joseph SCOULLAR and Mary MAHON is the one buried in the Northern Cemetery. This would tie in with the death at 1 week and the Court case for Confinement Costs alone.
SH
Already covered in replies 4 and 5 ... but nowhere is it mentioned that the child was "a son". [The court case doesn't refer to a "child or baby", it speaks only of Mary's confinement.]
In 1879 there is a further birth recorded of a Hannah Jane MAHON to parents Mary and Robert. [Very possibly this same Otago couple ? And not unusual in that era of large families for the eldest daughter to be having children whilst her mother is also still producing them. ]
That could mean David Hughan MAHON was the missing illegitimate child after all !
SH
David Hughan MAHON - son of Mary and Robert MAHON, was born on 15 July 1876 -- which is after the date of the case concerning the confinement costs.
~ Lu