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Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« on: Sunday 23 March 14 17:15 GMT (UK) »
I am most interested in Martha Thompson
I have found in Ancestry a Martha Thompson born Spittal
 Berwick upon Tweed 1887 daughter of George Thompson and Barbara Richardson Thompson
she is a spinster and has married James Lyall b 1881 son of Robert Lyall and Isabella born Wooler Northumberland in Ashcroft British Columbia Canada
Could this be my Martha
In 1911 my grt uncle George is a widower living with his family
Margaret   25  Martha  23
Christina   21 Isabella   13
Elizabeth  11 And Alexandra Peace 8
Son James 15
all living at No 226, Main Street Spittal
I had the pleasure to meet Peace my grandmothers cousin when I was a little girl
Any help out there as to what happened to Martha and James
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 March 14 17:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi

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she is a spinster and has married James Lyall b 1881 son of Robert Lyall and Isabella born Wooler Northumberland in Ashcroft British Columbia Canada

When did they marry?
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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23 March 14 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Sorry forgot to add 13.11.1916

Elizabeth
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 March 14 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Just found a Martha Thompson sailing from Glasgow 21.10.1916
But she is showing as a H/Wife sailing on The Cassandra aged 29
No James Lyall on the ship
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth


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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 March 14 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Snap - that's the one I was looking at when I asked the date of marriage.  Regardless of her status - I don't think that ship would have got to Canada in time for her to marry on 13/11
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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 April 14 21:02 BST (UK) »
Looks like they moved to California:

Name: Martha Lyall
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: England
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Household Members:
  James Lyall  48
  Martha Lyall  42
  Robert G Lyall  12
  Lillian Lyall  7

Same family in 1940 census too.  You should also find a naturalisation petition for James which provides enough information to confirm its the same people.

Also their crossing from Canada to US:

Name:  Martha Lyall
Birth:  1888 - England
Departure:  Vancouver, British Columbia
Arrival:  Aug 1923 - Seattle, Washington
(James & children also)

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MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 April 14 21:43 BST (UK) »
California Death Index shows Martha Lyall - Born Other Country 26 July 1887 and died 21 August 1976 Los Angeles California.
Last Residence 90064  Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California. 

FIND A GRAVE

Burial: Pierce Brothers Valhalla Memorial Park  North Hollywood Los Angeles County California.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yr4/

Martha Lyall Naturalization Index :- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KXQW-RVP

James Lyall Naturalization Index :- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KX32-Y96 (The original naturalization document has a photograph of James )

James Lyall - 1882 - 1953
 
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James Lyall born  22 May 1882 Other Country - died 7 th  May 1953 Los Angeles. California.

WW2 Draft

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V4DQ-5V2

1930/40 census

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XCVD-XVC

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9Z3-P1J







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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 April 14 21:50 BST (UK) »
Son Robert Gordon Lyall - Born 18 Jan 1918 - Died 10 July 2007.  Last Residence 93065  Simi Valley, Ventura, California.

Daughter Margaret Lyall - Margaret Lillian Shepek - Born 20 Apr 1922 - Died 19 November 2010 -  Last Residence 76262  Roanoke, Denton, Texas. SSN Issued California.

FIND A GRAVE

Burial: Bluebonnet Hills Memorial Park  Colleyville Tarrant County Texas.
Obituary :- Star-Telegram on November 22, 2010

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Re: Should this post be Berwickshire or Canada
« Reply #8 on: Friday 04 April 14 00:35 BST (UK) »
Many Many thanks Sandra and Julie for this information
Its late now but will look into all this tomorrow
Elizabeth
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth