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Should this be in Buteshire or Ayrshire? please help solve a mystery!
« on: Monday 22 March 10 17:04 GMT (UK) »
hello folks
I am trying to solve a mystery!
I have collected information with the  help from Rootschatters, Arran Geneology Museum and also searching myself ,through Scotlandspeople,Parish Records and Familysearch and more.
I am trying to confirm that my great great grandmother Elizabeth Kerr was Elizabeth Linn born in Kilmorey Buteshire (Arran).
First information was obtained from their daughter Mary Kerr ´s marraige certificate   and it states that John Kerr Coal Miner and Elizabeth Linn were her parents,
from there I got a marraige certificate which said they married in Irvine on 23.10.1853
according to the 1861 Census they lived at Townhead, Irvine;

William Linn Head  aged 72 Carter  born Ireland
William        Son    aged 18 Joiners Apprentice Born
John Kerr Boarder aged 24 Coal Miner born Wigtownshire
Elizabeth  Boarder aged 29  Muslin Sewer born Kilmorey Buteshire
Mary        dau   aged 7  scholar            born Irvine Ayrshire
Jane        dau  aged 1                         born Irvine Ayrshire

I thought William might be her Father , but its strange that her relationship to head is boarder.

according to 1871 Census they are living at 2 East Back Road Irvine

John Kerr aged 27 Coal Miner born Wigtownshire
Elizabeth aged 33                  born Kilmorey Buteshire
Mary aged 17 Domestic Servant
Jane  aged 11 scholar
William aged 9 scholar
Elizabeth aged 7 scholar
John aged 4
Catherine aged 1

according to 1881 they are living in Donaldsons Land Dreghorn

John Kerr aged 41 Coal Miner
Jane  dau aged 21 House Keeper
William aged 18 Coal Miner
John     aged 13 Coal MIner
Catherine aged 12 Scholar
Agnes      aged 8 Scholar
Margaret   aged 4
Archibald Linn Brother in law aged 45 Coal miner born Arran
all children were born in Irvine.
I have a death certificate for Elizabeth which would explain her absence in this census;

she died 31.3.1877 aged 45, married to John Kerr Coal Miner , 24 Eglinton Street Irvine.
not sure of cause of death.
her parents are named as ; William Linn Carter deceased and Margaret Linn nee McAlister deceased.

But according to Kilmorey parish records
Parents William Linn and Catherine McAlister were married in Kilmorey Bute on 11.10.1818and  had the following chidren;
William bpt 11.12.1818
Mary chr     29.10.1821

Janet chr    30.11.1823
Betty chr       1.6.1826
Mary chr      31.9.1828
Betty chr       9.1.1831
William chr  24.9.1841

Archibald 15.3.1833
Archibald 25.3.1835
Alexander 11.1837

according to the above names it would appear some died and new born were renamed the same names , which I was told was the norm at that time.

Also according to Parish records Archibald McAlester and Mary McKinnon had 2 daughters ;
Catherine was born 6.2.1798
Margaret was born 29.7.1803
So who was the mother Margaret or Catherine
according to 1841 Census at Townhead Irvine
William Lean Head aged 48 Carter born Ireland
Margaret       wife   aged  40
Mary            dau    aged 12 Scholar
Elizabeth      dau    aged 10 Scholar
Archibald      son    aged   6 Scholar
Alexander     son    aged    4

although the surname isnt correct the dates and names fit.   

according to 1851 Census they are still living at Townhead Irvine but called Linn
William Head aged 60 Carter born Ireland
Agnes  sister aged  54 House Keeper born Ireland
William son   aged  8  Scholar born Irvine

The 1861 Census for Elizabeth and John would tie in right with these names and ages.

Next on 6.1.1872 , I have a death certificate for William Linn aged 85 Carter , widower of Margaret McAlister.
Parents unknown , he died at Hill Street Kilmarnock , death was informed by George Ness his son in law, cant read cause of death.

Janet Linn (Elizabeths sister?) married George Ness on 21.1.1851 in Stevesnton Ayrshire.

I  have a few other bits and pieces , but I think these are the most important ones.

I would appreciate any help .........
regards
Elinga
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Re: Should this be in Buteshire or Ayrshire? please help solve a mystery!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 March 10 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Elaine

Not sure what the question is - I seem to remember discussing the Margaret/ Catherine conundrum before and am inclined to think that it is just an error due to the fact that death certificates are based on information provided by people other than the deceased (who will often be younger and possibly less well informed).

What new info do you have since your last post?

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 March 10 20:18 GMT (UK) »
hi again
well the question is , is it her or not!
I know what your saying about mistakes even spelling etc is understandable but a different name ?
I also want to know if she is from Arran and Margaret and William are her parents then  I can proceed backwards if thats the correct english
if she is the Betty from Arran why does she become Elizabeth on the main land?
The birth from parish records says the mother is Catherine and they did have daughters called Catherine and Margaret but on both Williams and Elizabeths  death certificate says Margaret as the wife and mother and also census say she is Margaret.
the fact that they had so many children  in Arran why is there no mention a Margaret as the mother in Parish records.
I have more information regarding the family in Arran but still nothing to verify who she is!
I just thought by putting it all together and putting it up for debate again (as it wasnt cofirmed or completed last time) some one out there may have the key!
regards
Elinga
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 March 10 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Apologies - I posted info you already have.

Regards,
Nel        


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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 March 10 14:33 GMT (UK) »
thanks anyway Nel
I just thought it was worth a try.
regards
Elaine
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Re: Should this be in Buteshire or Ayrshire? please help solve a mystery!
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 July 10 19:23 BST (UK) »
hello,
I have read your comments
I have the same questions
I am descended directly from George Ness
who was Md to 2nd janet b May 1826
1st b nov 23 d bef 26??
Arch Linn died single 1900, no help mother blank
Mary Linn d 1904 mo Catherine McAllister h Thos Andrew
1 st Mary linn b 1821 not 1838 d 30 apr 27
1st Betty b may 26  not jan 31 d 2 may 27
Both Granestone Benecarrigan Kilmory

Maybe well work it out?

Regards

Alastair

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 August 10 17:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Alistair
I have very recently got in touch with a woman who is the descendant of Janet so I will let you know how I get on !
we are communicating by email!
regards
Elaine
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 June 11 22:13 BST (UK) »
Remember Betty is often a family name for Margaret, also a child was and still is often named after a deceased sibling. It is to carry on the name of a grandparent usually, to honour their name.  :)
MCINTYRE, TAYLOR, DUNCAN Skipness & NTHKnapdale
CAMPBELL,MCKINNON,MCDONALD ,Isle of Coll
MCINTYRE,CAMPBELL, Isle of Bute
MCMILLAN Rutherglen, Scotland
PERRIN, STEPHENS,PAYNE,FEAKINS,PREECE,DUDSON, Endland, Australia & New Zealand
BASON, Potterspury, England
MASON Potterspury England
HENSON, Potterspury England & New Zealand
WYBROW, England, Australia & New Zealand
WHITE Sri Lanka & new Zealand
TRAILL, America & New Zealand
MACGREGOR, LOCKHART, STEPHENSON,MCKELVIE, Scotland

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 June 11 22:25 BST (UK) »
Betty is a pet form of Elizabeth, not Margaret (Maggie, Meg....).

Graham.