Thomas Greer

[oldhenry70]

looking for a Thomas Greer born 1813 Lanarkshire

[AMBLY]

Hi oldhenry70 

Welcome to Rootschat !

So we might be best able to try and help, what else can you tell us about Thomas?

for example:  Marriage, children? Occupation? Is he on any Census?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

But, I'm picking he's the one who died in Lancashire, Prescot district 1895, with age recorded as 82?
Wife Mary Ann?

Cheers
AMBLY

[oldhenry70]

Yes he died in Lancashire & was married to May Anne.trying to trace any records of where he was born or any records of him in Scotland I have most of the information when he lived in St Helens Lancashire apart from his Wedding Cert..
Go on and shock me
Regards Dave Greer

[AMBLY]

Hi Dave

Where to start 

Regarding the most of the information you have....maybe this is all old news.....

Do you have his wife's maiden name, from the births of one of the children?

1851: Crow Lane - Newton, Newton in Makerfield, Warrington, Lancashire
HO107 /  Piece: 2202 /  Folio: 167 /  Page: 41
Head: Thomas GRIER 35, Tile Maker, b Scotland (abt 1816)
Wife: Mary A 27, b Liverpool Lancaster
Son: William 5, b Prescot Lancaster
Son: Henry 3, b Prescot Lancaster

1861: Rainhill Road - Eccleston, St Helens, Prescot Lancashire
 RG9 /  Piece: 2751 /  Folio: -  Page: 2
Head: Thomas GREER 44, Brickmaker, b Scotland (abt 1817)
Wife: Mary Ann 36, b Ashton in Makersfield Lancs (abt 1825)
Dau: Margaret 9,  b Burton Lancs (abt 1852)
Son: Thomas 3, b Eccleston (abt 1858)

1871: Thatto Heath - Eccleston, St Helens, Prescot Lancashire
Head: Thomas GREER 56, Labourer, b Scotland (abt 1815)
Wife: Mary A 46, b Ashton in Willows Lane Lancs
Dau: Margaret 20, unm, b Newton? Nr? Willows Lane
Son: Thomas 14, b Eccleston
Dau: Jane 10, b Eccleston

Can't find them in 1881 or 1891?
I see daughter Jane working as a Servant. 1881 wrong - see later reply #15.
I see Henry Moss with a BRUNSKILL couple as a Nephew - the wife Ellen 39 is born in Ashton. And her older husband William 74 is the Registrar of BDM's........  RG9 / Piece: 2748 / Folio: 42 / Page: 15

FreeBMD - ages a bit out it would seem?
1883: Death - Mary Ann GREER age 66, Prescot - is this her? no, she was on 1891 Census & died 1897 Prescot age 76
1895: Death - Thomas GREER age 82, Prescot

LancBMD & FreeBMD
William GREAR - FreeBMD Mar Qtr 1846 Prescot
Henry Moss GREER - FreeBMD - Sep Qtr 1848 Prescot
Ellen GREER - birth: St Helens 1850 (FreeBMD - b Dec Q 1850, d Dec Q 1850 Prescot)
Margaret GREER - birth: Newton Le Willows, St Helens, 1851 (FreeBMD - Dec Q 1851 Warrington)
Ellen GREER - birth: FreeBMD Jun Q 1854 Warrington, death? 1856 Prescot
Thomas GREER - birth: FreeBMD Sep Qtr 1857 Prescot
David Arthur GREER - birth: FreeBMD Dec Q  1860 Prescot, death: Dec Qtr 1860 Prescot
Jane GREER - birth - St Helens 1862 (FreeBMD Jun Qtr 1862 Prescot)

IGI:  only seeing some of them
Ellen GREER, chr 11 Oct 1850, St Helens, Lancashire, Parents: Thomas GREER  & Mary Ann
Margaret GREER, chr 15 Jan 1852, Newton in Mackerfield, Lancashire, Parents: Thomas GREER & Mary Ann GREER
Ellen GREER, chr 14 May 1854, Newton in Mackerfield, Lancashire, Parents: Thomas GREER & Mary Ann GREER
Jane GREER, chr 6 Jun 1862, Prescot, Lanashire - Parents: Thomas GREER & Mary Ann GREER

Someone has tree for Henry Moss GREER on A*****cestry.
Attributes him as the son  of above. Also says Mary Ann's maiden name is MOSS. Doesn't have all the Census - only has the 1861 & 1871 for Thomas & Mary Ann and doesn't have their marriage.

Now, the GRO image certainley says GREEN, as does the FreeBMD and LancsBMD - but it could be a original mis-transcription  - because there is this:
Marriage: Mary A MOSS and Thomas GREEN married Prescot St Mary's in 1845

Grr - the registers covering Prescot St Mary's 1845 are not on this site;
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Prescot/index.html

Cheers
AMBLY

[oldhenry70]

 :Hi Amberly Very Interesting.Most makes sense + new information.
I Have The following.
Thomas Greer B1815 D1930 Born Lanarkshire died St Helens.
Wife Mary Ann Moss Born Ashton in Makerfield 1821 Died 1897 St helens.
Children :-
Henry Moss B1848 D1930
Margaret B1852
Thomas B1856
Jane.B1861

Info from 1861 & 1871 Census
and find Thomas 1848 Laboure age 33.
1861 Brickmaker age 46
1887 Tile Burner age 58

I have plenty info on Henry Moss but you have give me 3 new children of his Ellen,Ellen, & a David all died at birth or young.
Has I said I am trying to go back up to Scotland for a Birth of Thomas but finding it hard work due to lack of records.
Re Marriage of Thomas & Mary will try Prescott Records for details
I had been trying in Ashton in Makerfield ,Wigan Records seeing she was born there.but will switch search.
Hope the above info may throw more light,await any further info you can come up with especially the scottish connection
Thanks & Regards Dave Greer

[MonicaL]

Hi Dave and Ambly 

Not that it helps in any way to determine Thomas' roots, but he looks to have already been in Prescot by the time of the 1841 census. Showing as an agriculatural labourer, probably lodging, with two other young Scots men, both tile makers: HO107; Piece 516; Book: 6; Folio: 6; Page: 5.

Monica

[merryhow]

Hi Dave, could this be Thomas?

Thomas GRIER b 7th Aug 1819, ch 5th Sept 1819, Gorbals, Lanark.

Father William, Mother Jean Crawford.

Age a couple of years out but his father William fits nicely with his eldest son.

            Val

[AMBLY]

Hi all

Dave, do you happen to know the names of Mary Ann's parents?
If they are Henry and Ellen, for instance - we might expect Thomas' parents to be William & and possibly Margaret....that's if Thomas was Scottish in the full sense of the word. Meaning was he of Scottish heritage as opposed  to 'accident of birth' through parents being in Scotland for some reason at time of his birth.

I also wonder if there was another daughter named Mary or Mary Ann named after the mother, born & died possibly between Ellen & Jane. This would make it 'right' for a Scottish naming pattern, which can often be a big help.

Could I ask where the Lanarkshire place of birth has come from - perhaps it's family knowledge handed down?

Considering the various spelling variations of GREER, plus the first two known children  being born in Prescot,  I'd certainley agree the Prescot marriage 1845 of Thomas GREEN is worth investigating.

BTW - won't help the quest I guess, but William GREER, the eldest son looks to be in the Census in later years, married with children. Say if you'd like these Census details.

Cheers
AMBLY