John Shakespeare / Jemima ..... Dudley, Worcestershire (b 1819)

[Bernadette105]

Looking for information on John and Jemima Shakespeare from Dudley, Worcestershire. They were both born abt 1819....and had 3 children ..Jemima, Febey, and Joseph.  There is another John and Jemima Shakespeare born Warwickshire, lived in Surrey. I don't think they are related. 

This is my husband gt gt gt grandparents.. I was wondering if there is any information about who they were ... possibly Jemima's maiden name. Can we get them back another generation? What was Dudley like back then, .... what would John have done for living...farmer?

Anything would be more than we have! 


Thank you!
Bernadette

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Hello is this them??

`1861

Oldbury Langley  Worcestershire

Dingle Street

John Shakespeare age 42 Coal Miner born Dudley
Jemima wife age 42 Dudley
Jemima dau age 14 Oldbury Worcestershire
Mary A dau age 12 Oldbury
Febey? dau age 10 Oldbury
Joseph son age 5 Oldbury
Thomas Simpson lodger age 22 coal miner Oldbury

Pam

[Cas (stallc)]

Possible?

Marriages Dec 1839

SHAKESPEAR    John     Stourbridge    18   606
SIMPSON    Jemima     Stourbridge    18   606

1841
HO107/Piece 1196/Page 24/Folio 33
DOUBLE ROW
DUDLEY
WORCESTERSHIRE

John SIMPSON, 65, furnace lab, Not in county
Frances SIMPSON 65    Not in county
Frances SIMPSON 30    In county
Jemima SHAKESPEAR, 20,  "
John SHAKESPEAR, 20, coalminer "
Thomas SHAKESPEAR, 11mths? "
Thomas SIMPSON  2    "

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ8F-K5J poss bapt

Cas

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Hello
Looks  very good.

Thomas Simpson age 22  1861

1851 Oldbury Worcestershire

Frances Simpson age 75 Washerwoman Birmingham Warwickshire
Frances dau age 36 Washerwoman Bilston Staff
Thomas Simpson age 13 grandson coal miner Netherton Staff

3 lodgers

Pam

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Familysearch has that 1839 marriage
John Shakespear and Jemima Simpson 10.11.1839 Kingswinford.

Death Jemima Shakespeare Dec 1871 west Bromwich age 52 6b 550
Death Frances Simpson Dec 1854 West Bromwich 6b 367

Possible baptism Brierley hill
John Shakespeare  22.11.1818 d of Joseph and Mary of Dudley miner.(FreeReg)

Other possible children Joseph and Mary
Mary Anne age 2 buried Brierley hill 2.3.1814
Issacher 18.8.1816 Netherton collier at Brierly Hill
Emma 23.7.1820 Netherton Miner Dudley St Thomas buried 18.1.1822 Brierley Hill
Mary Ann 23.3.1823 same
Benjamin 4.11.1827 same

Possible marriages for parents
Joseph Shakespear and Mary Higgs Dudley St Thomas 2.5.1803
John Simpson and Frances Preston 12.101.1806 Wolverhampton St Peters by banns both b and sp

Possible other children for John and Francis Simpson
Francis and Thomas 12.11.1809 Bilston St L
James 7.6.1812 Oldbury
Ann 13.6.1819 Oldbury

Can't spot the Shakespear parents 1841 census.Children seem to be married or living singly.
This could be Joseph 1851 Netherton Hill
Joseph Shakespeare 69 widower colliery clerk Cradley
Sarah niece 29 servant Cradley

And then the following Burial at Brierley hill might be right
Joseph Shakespeare 3.7.1854 age 74.

Ciderdrinker

[ciderdrinker]

1841 Lower Lye
Joseph Shakespeare 59 office clerk y
Mary 54 N

Burial Mary 21.2.1847 Netherton age 60

Ciderdrinker

[Bernadette105]

Pam, Cas and Ciderdrinker,

I apologize for the late response. It was a long work day.  I think information you have found is so great and looks like it fits well with the information we have as a family.  I am going to ask the obvious question! Is Shakespeare a common name  or is there a possibility to connect with William shakespeare family?  I do know ( I think) that there were no direct descendents.

1 more ??  Jemima Shakespeare (d of John and Jemima) married William Fantom.  Can you see a record of that marriage?

I have had some time now to really look over all you have posted and I can't believe all you have found.  I think every bit of information looks correct. You have taken us back more than a generation. I feel like I know my way around the obvious available sites ... can't believe all I have missed

Thank you so much for your work!
Bernadette

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Sorry to say I can't find that marriage you're after .It's not in England but the couple are on the 1880 US census  and I've had a look at Familysearch and nothing.
As for the connection with  'The William Shakespeare' provisionally I can take your family tree back to a William Shakespeare of Dudley baptised 1602/3  son of Edward Shakespeare.
A website http://www.shakespeare-w.com/english/shakespeare/familytree.html
Has the basics of William Shakespeare's family tree.
You'll need to go back a few more generations,which could be possible,with a little digging but needs time and probably some off line resources.
As you say there are no direct descendents of 'The William Shakespeare' called Shakespeare  but it's possible you are related to his grandfather Richard Shakespeare,but that could take some time to discover.
Richard's son John was 1531-1601 according to his grave in Stratford on Avon so something to aim at.

Ciderdrinker

[Bernadette105]

Thank you Ciderdrinker for that information about the Shakespeares. I am fascinated about the possible connection even if it is remote. I would love to learn about the process of doing that research. Is it mostly "boots on the ground" type research?  What motivates me in all of my family research is not adding the name to the tree but the stories behind the names.

I appreciate your work and all of the rootchat work so much,
Bernadette