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Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« on: Wednesday 01 October 14 10:12 BST (UK) »
Hi.  All. Just a arrow in the dark. Is there anyone with info on the flockhart family from around the Kirkcaldy area in 1800/1900s.  It's on behalf of my wife. Her mother spent most of her childhood in a home. So little info apart from she has a g.mother way back who was maltease. Any information.  As its a scots name apparently.   would be great. Yours rob.
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Re: Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 October 14 12:32 BST (UK) »
Can you include some Christian names please - but not of any living persons

Your mother in laws birth certificate should give her parents names and her mothers maiden name which will help you find any possible marriage

Depending on what years we are talking about the 1911 census may enable you to glean some additional info.

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Re: Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 October 14 13:34 BST (UK) »
Is there anyone with info on the flockhart family from around the Kirkcaldy area in 1800/1900s.

You'll need to give us a bit more to go on. There were 204 births of Flockharts in Fife between 1855 and 1999.
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Re: Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 October 14 06:04 BST (UK) »
Hi all ,

Rob , from a previous post , is this tied into the Morton family ?

ScotlandsPeople has a marriage Andrew Morton / Lizzie Monaghan 1922 Mains(Dundee) , Angus.
Daughter Rae Flockhart Morton. B.20/4/1934.  D.10/3/1983. born in Glasgow.

Are Andrew Morton's parents Andrew Morton and Rachel Flockhart ?(married 1899 Lanark)

On the 1881 Census there is a Mary Flockhart(nee Johnston ?) British Subject born Malta , living Dysart Fife , spouse James Flockhart.
This couple seem to be in Lanarkshire by 1901.
I think they had a daughter Rach(a)el Flockhart in 1878 Abbotshall Fife.

You will need to order the birth certificate , from Scotlandspeople , of Rae Flockhart Morton B.20/4/1934 , born in Glasgow , to get you started.



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Re: Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 October 14 08:17 BST (UK) »
Hi.  All.   Firstly I would like to thank you all. For your time and effort in replying to this page. Sorry I haven't answered sooner. But I don't have the best of health. Sadly I don't have a lot to go on. But the family that ev mentioned is correct. I was going to give the same information. Rae flockhart Morton. B.1934. Was my wife's aunt.  We knew her. She gave what info she had before she died. But not much? .  Andrew Morton. Was her father.  All deceased now.  In the 1881 census. I believe that James & mary flockhart are her g.grandparents. my  wife is not very good with the Internet. So she asked me to try to find out about the Malta connection. And the flockhart name. Occupation etc. As we live in England. And most of my information is oral.  I have found it difficult to find. Anything else. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks again all especially ev. For your kind attention. Yours sincerely  rob...
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Re: Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 October 14 11:29 BST (UK) »
Hello rob g
     This appears to be the same family 'ev' mentions in her reply.
1861 Census. Leslie, Fife. Anc***ry transcription.
     George Johnston 46 Pensioner & Labourer b Dysart, Fife.
     Rachel Johnston 41 Pensioner's wife b Leslie.
     Mary Johnston dau 15 b Malta.
     Margaret Johnston dau 9 b America.
     Annie Johnston dau 1 b Leslie.
     Also various lodgers.
     
1871 Census. Kirkcaldy, Fife.
     George Johnston 56 Chelsea Pensioner b Dysart, Fife.
     Rachel Johnston 52 b Leslie, Fife.
     Mary Johnston 25 b Malta.
     Margaret Johnston 19 b Prince Edward Island, North America.
     Rachell Johnston 15 b Leslie.
     Hannah Johnston 11 b Leslie.

1881 Census. Pathead, Dysart, Fife.
     George Johnston 65 Labourer b Dysart.
     Rachel Johnston 61 b Leslie, Fife.
     Hannah Johnston 21 b Leslie.
     James Flockhart 42 Son-in-law b Dunfermline, Fife.
     Mary Flockhart 35 b Malta (British subject)
     Rachel Flockhart 2 G dau b Kirkcaldy, Fife.
     Lily Flockhart 10months G dau b Kirkcaldy.

1891 Census.  Kirkcaldy & Abbotshall, Fife.
     James Flockhart 52 Labourer in Foundry b Dunfermline, Fife.
     Mary J Flockhart 42 b Malta (British subject)
     Rachel Flockhart 12 b Abbotshall, Fife.
     Lily R Flockhart 10 b Dysart, Fife.

1901 Census. Dennistoun, Glasgow, Lanarkshire.
     Jas Flockhart 52 General Labourer b n.k. Scotland.
     Mary Flockhart 50 b Malta (Brit subj)
     Rachel Flockhart 29 b Kirkcolm, Fife. (Kirkcolm probably transcription error for Kirkcaldy)
     Andrew Maton 23 Son-in-law b Ireland.
     Annie Maton 20 Visitor b Ireland.
     Mary Maton 8 months. G dau b Glasgow.
     
     It would be good if you could find George Johnston's Chelsea Pension Records and/or Army Service Records. Seems to have been stationed both in Malta & Canada. (Mary & Margaret's births)
     Hope the above helps your search.
               Regards,     Dod.

PS. The above are all from Anc***ry. I assume the surname Maton on 1901 Census is a transcription error for Morton, re: Andrew Morton from 'ev's reply.
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Re: Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 October 14 15:14 BST (UK) »
Hello again rob g,
     Couldn't find George & Rachel Johnston on 1891 Census but these deaths on ScotlandsPeople would be worth checking. Scottish death certificates give both father & mother's name, including maiden name (if known) so would let you go back another generation.

     George Johnston died at Dysart, Fife age 69yrs.
     Rachel Johnston, other name, Bruce died 1894 at Dysart, Fife age 64yrs.

     This marriage, also from ScotlandsPeople, sounds likely.

     George Johnstone (with an 'e') & Rachel Bruce married 22nd September, 1842 at Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland.
      We know from Census Returns that George was a Chelsea Pensioner & that both George & Rachel were born in Fife, Scotland. If this is their marriage in Stirling it could mean he served with the 42nd Royal Highlanders who were based in Stirling at that time. (One of my relatives served with the 42nd & married 1859 in Stirling while based at Stirling Castle) The 42nd Royal Highlanders, later The Black Watch is now part of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.
               Regards,     Dod.

PS. Thankyou for your lovely message. Glad to help.
     
     

     
     
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Re: Kirkcaldy/Dundee. flockhart name. help.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 October 14 16:17 BST (UK) »
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