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Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« on: Wednesday 26 November 08 09:02 GMT (UK) »
I am searching for any family links to William Cleator born abt 1846 in Isle of Man and his wife Catherine Kneale born abt 1845 in Isle of Man.  They were married in Jurby IOM on 18th Feb 1865.
They had 3 children in IOM; William born abt 1866, Arthur born abt 1868 and John born abt 1871.  They then moved to Lancashire where they had Andrew born about 1875 and Frederick born July 1881.
Fredericks wife Mary emmigrated to Australia in 1926 following his death in WW1 and subsequently lost contact with Cleator relatives in England.  As I am descendant through Frederick,  any information about the lives of this family after 1900 would be greatly appreciated.
Wood, Richardson, 
Harris - St Agnes Cornwall
Hammond - Whittlesey Cambridgeshire
Jensen - Copenhagen
Stickland - Swanage, Dorset
Cleator - Liverpool & IOM

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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 17:33 GMT (UK) »
do you have the details from the commonwealth war graves of frederick's death ? if not i can post them for you
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belinda
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Barrow - cumbria
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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 17:35 GMT (UK) »
do you have frederick's and Mary's marriage - june 1916 - mary cameron to frederick j cleator in liverpool
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belinda
Carroll - salford, stockport yorkshire and ireland
Horan - stockport and ireland
Barrow - cumbria
Turner - stockport
McLoughlan - Altrincham, Stockport and Ireland

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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Wow Belinda!  Thanks.
I have a copy of the marriage which my grandfather got about 30 years ago by posting to and from England.  But the year seems to have been changed.  It actually looks like it has be rubbed out and changed to 1911 and I always questioned the timing as their ages listed on the marriage dont match wi their birth dates.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
From what Grandpa learned, Frederick was buried at Gorre British cemetery near Beuvry in France.
The number attached is YP 9/4198 and came from a certificate the army gave Mary.  So I'm guessing this is correct.
When I speak to Grandpa this week he will be blown away at just how quickly you were able to give me this information when he has spent years tracking Fred (His father whom he never met as he died in France when Grandpa was only 6 months old.)
Hopefully Rootschat will help me get some more info for him that will make him a bit happy. ( Not easy at 92). :)
Thanks heaps for your trouble.
Soulskin.
Wood, Richardson, 
Harris - St Agnes Cornwall
Hammond - Whittlesey Cambridgeshire
Jensen - Copenhagen
Stickland - Swanage, Dorset
Cleator - Liverpool & IOM


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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 November 08 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Pls find below the full details from the CWGC:-
Casualty details
name          CLEATOR
initials         F J
Nationality   U.K.
rank             PRIVATE
regiment/service     East Lancashire Regiment
Unit text:      2nd/5th Bn
Age                35
Date of death   13/04/1917
Service No.        242427
Additional information :  Son of william and catherine Cleator; husband of Mary Cleator of 41 Cardwell street, Edgehill, Liverpool. Native of Liverpool.
Casualty Type    commonwealth war dead
Grave/memorial reference  V11.B.8.
Cemetery    GORRE BRITISH AND INDIAN CEMETERY

regards
Belinda
Carroll - salford, stockport yorkshire and ireland
Horan - stockport and ireland
Barrow - cumbria
Turner - stockport
McLoughlan - Altrincham, Stockport and Ireland

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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 November 08 18:44 GMT (UK) »
if you log onto the commonwealth war graves commission site you can find the details easily and there is also the picture of the cemetery and the Memory of Private F J Cleator.
Hope this makes you grandad happy
belinda
Carroll - salford, stockport yorkshire and ireland
Horan - stockport and ireland
Barrow - cumbria
Turner - stockport
McLoughlan - Altrincham, Stockport and Ireland

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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 November 08 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi there again,
do you have the 1901 census ?
41 Cardwell street
Catherine Cleator  Head      Widow    age 57     born I.O.M
Frederick J Cleator son                        age 19    born liverpool
William Kerruish      Boarder                age 26     born I.O.M.
Thomas Kerriush     boarder                age 22     born I.O.M.

living next door at 39 Cardwell Street
John F Cleator         Head                     age 30    born I.O.M.         paperhanger
Edith a cleator        wife                           age 30  born liverpool
Catherine a             dau                        age 9  born liverpool
John H cleator         son                        age 6  born liverpool   

REF RG13  PIECE  3495   FOLIO 133 PAGE  23

regards
belinda
Carroll - salford, stockport yorkshire and ireland
Horan - stockport and ireland
Barrow - cumbria
Turner - stockport
McLoughlan - Altrincham, Stockport and Ireland

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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 November 08 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Belinda,
I had seen the 1901 census with catherine and fred.
Up until 6 months ago I believed him to be an only child.
But i went through an old tin of Marys belongings wi Grandpa and found a cut out death notice for Fred which had mention of a 'loving brother' John.  That was when i started looking for reles.  This would definately confirm the John Cleator at 39 Cardwell St. Thanks!
Grandpa always spoke about Cardwell St because he lived there with Catherine and Mary after Freds death until Catherine died.  Although Im not sure of her exact death date.  Just that its between 1917 and 1926.
I have also seen on a 1891 Census a William T Cleator born 1864 aged 27 living in Toxteth Park.   I cant remember why I thought this mite link. It may be because the only death I can find for William Cleator b1845 is in Toxteth Park and i thought maybe they were linked as father and son.

Will go through my stuff and see where the Toxteh Park link came from, but it may just be a presumption of mine or my grandfathers part in desperation to find a link.
How late are the census details available?
Will do some more checking today and let you know what I can confirm.
Would be so much easier had they just kept in touch back in 1926 like they did with Marys family. :(

Thanks again.
Soulskin.
Wood, Richardson, 
Harris - St Agnes Cornwall
Hammond - Whittlesey Cambridgeshire
Jensen - Copenhagen
Stickland - Swanage, Dorset
Cleator - Liverpool & IOM

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Re: Cleator family West Derby/Liverpool
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 November 08 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Belinda,
I just got another amazing respose from a lady on an ancestry message board.  Following is what she has found.  This might help me lead to something else.



"So far I have discovered the following about the Cleator family:

Arthur Kneale Cleator b. C1868 died Dec Q 1873 age 6 West Derby 8b 372

John Thomas Cleator b. C1871 married Edith Adelaide Blake Sep Q 1890 Liverpool 8b 217
Children:
Catherine A b. 1892
John H b. 1895 West Derby

Catherine A married William J Wood Jun Q 1916 W. Derby
Son - Derrick W A born Jun Q 1920 Toxteth Park 8b 416

John H Cleator married Annie Binnion Sep Q 1923 West Derby
Son Harold H born Dec Q 1924 8b 446

Andreas Cleator b. 1875 married Sep Q 1897 Margaret Jane Donald Liverpool 8b 8
Daughter Gertrude b. C1898 Liverpool
(There could be more children here between 1901 & 1911 when the mothers' maiden names are given. This is a bit of a black hole until the 1911 Census becomes available)

I am having problems tracing William W Cleator b. C1866 IOM
Will continue with grandchildren of John Thomas & see if I can bring things up to date."


What an amazing amount of information in such a short time frame.
Thanks.
Wood, Richardson, 
Harris - St Agnes Cornwall
Hammond - Whittlesey Cambridgeshire
Jensen - Copenhagen
Stickland - Swanage, Dorset
Cleator - Liverpool & IOM