Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Aha!  It was you, Monica, who had previously found John Sutherland in Forfar.  Thanks for speaking up and showing work again.  I see and understand the many potential holes for that connection, unfortunately.

Anyhow, will keep checking in.  I really need to go over all of this to be back in synch and to comment sensibly.  Don't know if can spare the time right now. 

Thanks everyone.

Joe

[despair]

Another piece of considerable speculation:

In the previous lineage there was a Joanna Gore married to Michael Daly.In the listing at www.thepeerage.com. Joanna is listed as the first daughter of Arthur Gore,!st Earl of Arran.His eldest son and successor,Arthur Saunders Gore(Joanna's brother) had a daughter Lady Anne Jane Gore(1763-1827),who despite 3 marriages  died without issue.Perhaps a portrait of her passed back to Joanna?Joanna's family also contained only one daughter(another Anne!) who died without issue.Her eldest son Denis Daly was the father of Katherine,who was an only child.
This superficially could match the requirement for passing through the eldest daughter(?)

The portrait of Lady Anne (Jane) Gore,of unknown age, is at the link below, and has a passing resemblance (as do most portraits of the period!).

http://www.thepeerage.com/p11030.htm#i110295

Regards
Roger

[despair]

As usual,I'm not sure the following really helps,but for what it's worth:-

The unframed silhouette you posted previously looks stylistically similar to this one,which appears to be attributed to Edgar Adolphe

Edgar Adolphe worked in Brighton up to approx. 1846.He is then reported to be in Dublin from"the mid 1850s".The earliest record I  can find is the death of his wife Eloise in 1854.I can't currently find any references to his clientele in Dublin.

Regards
Roger

[MonicaL]

Roger and Joe,

With Roger's new material, thought it might help to include again at this juncture the items you have in the family, Joe. The story is long and little gems get lost along the way sometimes  :

[MonicaL]

Also we have:

[MonicaL]

I am going to add this here now, in case I lose the links    Most links don't pick up on him until the 1850s in Dublin.

http://profilesofthepast.org.uk/artist/adolphe-edgar-monsieur
http://photohistory-sussex.co.uk/Profilists&SilhouetteArtists.htm
www.irisharchaeology.info/genealogy/photographers.html

Monica

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Roger, I wish I could put as much time into my family research as you have been doing lately.  So much going on…  We have finally scheduled time to visit out friends in Cincinnati:  hopefully I can put some time into research while there.

And Monica, so great you thought of showing those "gems" again.  They shocked me into great appreciation for their existence, and provided great context.

I really have to hit the hay.

Regards,

Joe

[Sue222]

    "....Captain John a(?) Sutherland,my natural son,adjutant to Lord Clancarty (next word difficult),of the Irish Militia,presently residing at Ballinasloe...."

I think it says Lord Clancarty's regiment of ...
And the a(?) is just a little squiggle they put at the end of the line - so you couldn't add anything I suppose.

[Flattybasher9]

Just curious, but is there a possibility that the painting name is linked to Sir Arthur Guinness, Lord Ardlian, St Anne's park, James Butler Brenan and Lady Ardilaun, St. Anne's, Clontarf.

Regards

Malky