Help needed .... Ways to find the correct person.

[heywood]

Hello again,
He may have had a temporary address in Burlington Street for the marriage.
The transcript of the marriage register shows a note:
"Cum dispensatione  quoad Bannorum 2+3 proclamationen"
which I assume means that there was a dispensation from having the banns read.

What was his occupation on his marriage certificate - was there one for his father also?

Heywood

[Marj]

Hi
Could this be a possibility, worth keeping on file.

1871 census index Ancoats district.

John Johnson 32 b. Eccles
Ann 33 b. Ireland.
Wm  11
JOHN 8
Ellen  5
Thomas 3
Mary Ann 1

Children all b. Manchester. (Ancoats  lancsbmd mmn Nolan)

1881 census RG11/3987/26
Jno Johnson widow 44 Iron Labourer. b.Patricroft
Ellen 15, Thomas 13, Mary Ann 11, Elizabeth 8.

1881 Census RG11/3984/38/7
John Johnson 18, Lodger  Jobber (Cotton Mill)
Lodging with Prestage family.

Marriage 1858 for John Johnson & Ann Nolan,
Manchester Reg Office, or Register attended.

Hope it helps

Marj

[Benn2509]

Hi Marj, Many thanks for the reply. I had seen the 1881 return with John lodging with the Prestage family, I have it on file but not sure about it, I just wish I could verify it in some way! I hadn't seen the 1871 census, so thanks for that, I will definitely keep that on file, his father being an iron labourer looks about right, most of the family worked in Bradford Iron works. A great help - thanks again.
Heywood, Thanks for your reply, Why would there have been a special dispensation from having the Banns read? Seems a strange one to me. His occupation on his marriage cert was 'overlooker', and his father 'General Labourer'.
Thanks again for your interest & help.

Benn 

[heywood]

I don't know about the dispensation - it looks as though it is from having 2nd and 3rd banns doesn't it. It wouldn't then be a dispensation because one party was not Catholic.

[Joney]

A dispensation means that some  element of church law is relaxed for the benefit of the parties involved.
A quick trawl indicates dispensation from banns might be given if either party is in danger of  death,  has to  leave the area very soon,  or if Lent is about to start (as marriage was not permitted in Lent, so a lengthy delay would be involved). Any possibility that a baby was on the way ? That might be another reason for not wanting to wait. Whatever the reason, the priest is sympathetic. I wonder if a dying parent might be another reason. He/she wants to know his offspring is married, so......
Joney

[heywood]

As I said, the dispensation seems to be from the 2nd and 3rd banns.
That would only be a matter of weeks before the marriage. It wasn't Lent so one of the other reasons perhaps?

[Joney]

Yes, I find this quite intriguing. Makes you wonder what's the story behind it.  I've never come across this sort of dispensation before. I wonder how commonly it was given in this country.  I came across a forum reply that said it was much more common in some countries than others.
Joney