John Morgan-Tredegar

[Dannemois]

Hi
Can someone please do a look-up on the 1851 census for John Morgan born Aug 1846 at Tredegar.  The only info I have is by 1866 he had moved to Fleur de Lys, Mon.  Any details will be appreciated.
Regards, Roy

[Drosybont]

This looks like him in 1851, family at Collier Row Tredegar:

John Morgan 38   Grocer              b Monmouth (can't read placename)
Mary Morgan 44                          b Glamorgan Cardiff
Elizabeth Do. 12                         b Monmouth Tredegar
Ann        Do. 11                         b Do.           Do.
Margaret Do.   2                         b Do.           Do.
John       Do.   5   Scholar            b Do.           Do.
Elizabeth Jenkin15 House Servant b Monmouth Rhymney

I think I can see the family in 1861 too - let me know if you'd like those details.

Drosybont

[Dannemois]

Hi Drosybont
Thank you so much for the details and yes please I would like the 1861 details
Regards, Roy

[Drosybont]

Hi Roy

Here is 1861.  Some differences from 1851 but to me it looks like the same family:

John Morgan 48 Blacksmith b Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Do. 50                b Glamorganshire Cardiff
Eliza Jane Do. 22                b Mon Tredegar
Ann         Do. 20                b Do.  Do.
John        Do. 15                b Do.  Do.
Margrete  Do.  12               b Do.  Do.

Still Colliers Row Tredegar, this time it also says Hamlet of Uwchlawrcoed.  Shall I look for them in 1871?

Drosybont

[Dannemois]

Yes please, any information you can find is a bonus
Thanks, Roy

[Drosybont]

This looks like some of the family in 1871 at 10 Church Sq Tredegar, Uchlawrcoed, though I'm not sure how it fits in with John Morgan b 1846 moving to Fleur de Lys?

John Morgan 58  Master Smith              b Mon Bassaleg
Sarah Do.     59                                   b Glamorgan Margam
Lydia Uppington unm stepdau 25           b Mon Tredegar
William Brown grandson 7 Scholar          b Do.   Do.
John Morgan son 25 Fitter in Iron Works b Do.  Do.

Looks as though the mother Mary/Mary Ann must have died in the early 1860s, too many of either name in the area to tell when exactly.  There's a John Morgan/Sarah Uppington marriage in Bedwelty 11a 151 Mar 1864.  There are some marriages in the timescale which might be one of the daughters marrying a Brown.

Drosybont

[Dannemois]

Thanks again for the details.  The information with him moving to Fleur de Lis is from his obituary. "He was born at Tredegar, in South Wales, August 26 in the year 1846.  When 20 years old he removed to Fleur-de-lis, in Monmouthshire, where he soon made his name in battling for the rights of the worker, being at one time chairman of the Rhymney Valley miners.  Owing to falling health, John Morgan emigrated to Australia in 1886".   It doesn't say when he actually moved to Fleur de Lis after the census.   
Roy

[Drosybont]

What you say about the obituary makes me wonder whether this is the right John Morgan.  Chairing the Rhymney Valley miners oesn't seem all that likely, though I suppose he could have been fitting engines in pits. Anyway, this lot are again at 10 Church Sq, Tredegar in 1881, John having married his stepsister:

John Morgan Head 35      Engine Fitter                b Monmouth Tredegar
Lidia Morgan wife   31                                        b  Do.           Do.
John Do.      son   7        Schooler                      b  Do.          Do.
William Do.   son   1                                          b  Do.          Do.
Sarah   Do.  Mother W 71 Annuitant                   b Glamorgan Pyle
Jemima Richards Unm 29   Domestic Servant       b Monmouth Tredegar

Drosybont

[Drosybont]

This might be a better possibility in 1871 in view of the occupation and place - Bedwelty Islawrcoed, Trylin:

John Morgan        Head    24    Coal Miner    Tredegar Mon
Mary Ann Do.       Wife     22                      Trylin      Do.
Margaret Jane Do. Dau      1                       Do.         Do.
David Morgan       Brother 18   Coal Miner    Rhymney Do.

Not getting anywhere much finding this John Morgan or others in the household before or afterwards.  Just out of interest, when and where did he die?

Drosybont