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Hi can anyone help locate the above roads or at least where they used to be please? This is going back to 1830-40

Also which churches had graveyards in the area as I understand Holy Rood and Millbrook didn't.
Does anyone know what happened to graves at St Nicholas and its location please?

Looking for graves from 1850-1930.


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In 1853 in London and 1854 for the provinces the government introduced an Act which forced many churchyards to close. Southampton town council was one of the earliest to open a municipal cemetery in 1846, orginally named Cemetery by the Common, later Hill Lane Cemetery and from the 1990's Southampton Old Cemetery. There is an active group Friends of Southampton Old Cemetery [has a website] which assists in locating graves within the 27 acres site [approx 117,000 burials]. Prior to its opening the main burial ground was St Mary's churchyard where on occasions the burials were so many that the height of the burial ground went 10 -14 feet up the side of the church building. It is said that stray dogs sometimes appeared with a bone in the mouth. The Church of England was very reluctant to give up the lucrative income to conduct burial services and insisted that burials in the council owned cemeteries should still be required a burial fee to the clergy at St Mary's which was in addition to the burial fee at the cemetery about a mile away from the church. The cemetery initially had C of E and Non Conformist plots but shortly after opening the Hebrew community were allowed a Mortuary Chapel and a walled section of the cemetery for Jewish burials - this was the first Jewish public cemetery in Britain. Much later the Roman Catholics were allocated plots but were not allowed a boundary wall and not allowed a Chapel for services. As the town expanded the council added more cemeteries Holybrook at the end of 19th century, St Mary's Extra, Millbrook [at the rear of Holy Trinity Church] and Stoneham. The city bereavement services has had major cuts in staff and prior to those cuts had notices up that a search of any burial records would take 5 to 8 weeks, I suspect it is now a much longer wait [fees are payable].

If you go onto Royal Mail.com postcode search and enter 3 Bedford Place Southampton SO15 2DB a map appears. Kingsland [originally outside the boundary of Hamwic the saxon area ie The King's Land still exists] but is in part of St Mary's Street and a modern trunk road dual carriageway, going onto Google estate agents show property in Kingsland Place but I suspect this is a modern day adaptation of the name but again using Google on Royal Mail.com postcode search St Mary's Street for approximate location. For details on the location of Brewhouse Lane destroyed in WWII see http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/2062.asp

There is a St Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, St Nicholas C of E Bassett, Southampton and St Nicolas [the church with the one hand clock] at North Stoneham. possibly Hampshire Genealogical Society may be help to help on information re burials.
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That's hugely helpful, thank you so much. Will see what I can find when I next visit.

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The parish church of Millbrook was dedicated to St. Nicholas.  It was almost a ruin by the 18th century. In 1874, it became a chapel to the new parish church of Holy Trinity.  St. Nicholas closed completely in the 1920s.  It was demolished in 1938/39.  It was located at the southern end of Regents Park Road just north of the railway.  It did have a graveyard, but I think this must be beneath the dual carriageway.  There are some photos on the Portcities site http://www.plimsoll.org/

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That's very helpful thank you.

So if at least 3 of my ancestors died (Old) Red bridge road, Millbrook 1889, 1804 and 1807 where would they have been buried pls?

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Sorry that was 1904 and 1907!

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Difficult to know where they might be buried.

Perhaps you should contact Southampton Bereavements Service (see this page: https://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-leisure/artsheritage/history/fahistory/burials.aspx) who offer a research service for burials in Southampton cemeteries.  By the dates you mention, a lot of burials were taking place in municipal cemeteries rather than the church graveyards.

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Thank you Nell.

I'm going to look round the Old cemetery tomorrow as its only 10 minutes drive from Millbrook. Looks like a lovely place to visit.

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The Friends of Southampton Old Cemetery hold an Information Day at the Hawthorns Urban Wildlife Centre on 18th May 2014 starting at 10-30am. Hawthorns holds a duplicate set of SCC Bereavement Services burial records. The volunteers from FoSOC assist in interpretting the plot maps etc. Unfortunately none of the graves or rows have plot markers so the photo copied sheets of plots are essential in tracing a headstone. Many families could not initially afford a headstone and existing  ones may have been damaged by weather or vandalism. Hampshire Genealogy Society did an MI survey recording headstones about 25 years ago [often these are now the only record of names etc]. The maps used for the plots do not unfortunately match the SCC "Official" maps but FoSOC have prepared a "go between" which serves to match both mapping systems.
Avery [Wembury]
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Williams [Plymstock/Oreston]
Maritime subjects inc Titanic, HMS Hardy, HMS Thetis [submarine]
UK cemetery conservation
Cholera
Victorian social history