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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: johnforster on Friday 26 October 12 20:58 BST (UK)
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i have recently found a record in the registry of deeds which i suspect could refer to my gt gt g/parents 'Malcolm Foster and Elizabeth Arnott' [married 3/7/1792 at clones].
i think i need the opinion of someone who has a local knowledge of the surrounding area of Newtown Butler [in case i'm barking up the wrong tree].
the lease, registered 27/1/1816 was for 3/4 of Dernabackey, for the lives of :
Malcolm Foster, gent of Coolnasilly, p/o Drumsilly, co Fermanagh
[wife] Elizabeth
[son] John age 15
[dau] Sarah age 13
also John, resident of Rathmorgan
[son] Nethaniel age 18
i was wondering if Coolnasilly, p/o Drumsilly could be Coolnasillagh, Drumsillagh.
and Rathmorgan could be Rathmoran.
or is it perhaps another family in another part of Ireland ?
is it likely that additional usefull info would be on a copy of the origional lease ?
john.
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If it specifically says Co Fermanagh, then I can't find anything more appropriate than Coolnashillagh and Drumsillagh. Likewise Rathmoran is in the same civil parish as Dernabacky.
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come under parish of Gallon
Coolnasillag
found them but lost them. looks like they had twins.
http://www.igp-web.com
See: http://www.igp-web.com/fermanagh/Links.htm
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Hi John,
COOLNASILLAGH, was originally in the parish of Drummully, later it was part of the later formed GALLOON parish, Clones is nearby. Church wise, there is a choice of CoI Churches. Newtown Butler, Aghadrumsee, Lisnaskea, and later Sallaghy, there were also a few local chapels the nearest to Coolnasillagh was Clogh (Later known as Cloghagaddy).
There are references to the Forster family at Coolnasillagh in William Bredin's 1850/51 local census. Also the Galloon Parish registers 1798-1830 & 1830-1844 list this family, they can be found at the Fermanagh Gold website here: http://www.fermanagh-gold.com/
You will find a fair bit of info at Fermanagh Gold for this area, Including lists of the Tithe & Griffiths 1862.
I believe Malcolm had a brother called John who was married to an Elinor Arnott (sister of Elizabeth?). there was an "Arnott" Presence at Cloghagaddy (Just over the fields).
Hope this is of use
Rusty
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If it specifically says Co Fermanagh, then I can't find anything more appropriate than Coolnashillagh and Drumsillagh. Likewise Rathmoran is in the same civil parish as Dernabacky.
hi gaffy
sorry i did'nt get back to you sooner. just got back from n.wales. yes,the lease definitely stated fermanagh.
your opinion appreciated. thanks,
john.
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come under parish of Gallon
Coolnasillag
found them but lost them. looks like they had twins.
http://www.igp-web.com
See: http://www.igp-web.com/fermanagh/Links.htm
hi rathmore
before i found the record of the lease, i had got Malcolm and Elizabeth's children [inc. the twins] from the galloon p/h records-bapts :
James 31/5/1801 coolnasillagh
Thos and Marg't 18/9/1803 coolnasillagh
Catherine 7/7/ 1805 rathmoran
Robert 15/7/1807 coolnasillagh [my gt g/f]
William Najoas 16/9/1809 coolnasillagh
Jane-Anne 27/2/1812 cloghagaddy
mervyn 8/8 1814 coolnasillagh
Eliza 29/6/1817 coolnasillagh
according to the lease Malcolm and Elizabeth's children were aged 15 and 13 therefore, as the lease was registered JAN 1816, John would be b.1800 and Sarah b.1803 which would fit in ok with their possible siblings. [John and Sarah don't appear to be on the galloon bapt.records ?]
that fermanagh website looks very interesting - thanks.
john
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Hi John,
COOLNASILLAGH, was originally in the parish of Drummully, later it was part of the later formed GALLOON parish, Clones is nearby. Church wise, there is a choice of CoI Churches. Newtown Butler, Aghadrumsee, Lisnaskea, and later Sallaghy, there were also a few local chapels the nearest to Coolnasillagh was Clogh (Later known as Cloghagaddy).
There are references to the Forster family at Coolnasillagh in William Bredin's 1850/51 local census. Also the Galloon Parish registers 1798-1830 & 1830-1844 list this family, they can be found at the Fermanagh Gold website here: http://www.fermanagh-gold.com/
You will find a fair bit of info at Fermanagh Gold for this area, Including lists of the Tithe & Griffiths 1862.
I believe Malcolm had a brother called John who was married to an Elinor Arnott (sister of Elizabeth?). there was an "Arnott" Presence at Cloghagaddy (Just over the fields).
Hope this is of use
Rusty
hi rusty
gratefull for that usefull information.it gives me a clearer perspective now.
sometime ago you assisted me and sent my foster family record from the rev.bredin's census.[a vital result thanks]
john.
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COOLNASILLAGH, was originally in the parish of Drummully, later it was part of the later formed GALLOON parish, Clones is nearby. Church wise, there is a choice of CoI Churches. Newtown Butler, Aghadrumsee, Lisnaskea, and later Sallaghy, there were also a few local chapels the nearest to Coolnasillagh was Clogh (Later known as Cloghagaddy).
Just in addition to this, the wee church at Cloghagaddy was a Methodist church. There was also a small church at Ballagh, it was a converted courthouse I believe. I remember being taken there as a child and took around the back to see the place they hung people! Always surprised me how you could have a church on the same grounds as place executions took place! Felt spooky to me! Ballagh was operated / run by Sallaghy Parish and was in use up to the 90's, but only for special services i.e. Thanksgiving.
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KDDA
thanks for the input re. Ballagh church.
yes, it does seem an eerie place to use for a church. i wonder if the bodies were interred behind there following execution. i did'nt think they could be buried in consecrated church ground could they? but as a church was established there afterwards, it seems they could have sneaked in through the back door, so to speak [excuse the pun].
if Ballagh church was controlled by Sallaghy Parish, would you know which of their parish records survive and how i could access them?
john.
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I don't think any burials took place at Ballagh. They would have gone to the family graveyard, where ever that was. The burial records should be recorded at Sallaghy.
I believe the records for Sallaghy are all intact from the church was opened. You would have to contact the church directly and request a viewing. Or post what your looking for and maybe someone has already looked at that information.
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Sallaghy Church of Ireland Registers with baptisms, marriages & burials
C.I. Sallaghy (Clogher diocese), Available Registers in Local custordy.
Baptisms, 1857-1999; Marriages, 1845-1977; burials, 1884-1974
Records DESTROYED in 1922 Dublin Fire were: Baptisms 1841 – 1857,
Marriages 1842 - 1845 & Burials 1849 – 1884.
Additional information specific to Sallaghy:
In 1840 Sallaghy parish was created out of Galloon parish. In 1847 William Bredin became curate there. For reasons which are not exactly clear, he undertook to do his own census of his new parish. Reverend Bredin starred the census on Sallaghy Parish in 1840 but didn't finish it, as his wife became ill and died in 1849 leaving him with young children. The timing is not specific but believed to be 1850/1. Brian MacDonald has transcribed this census ('A Fermanagh Census') and it is published in The Clogher Record 1993 Vol XIV No 3 starting at page 77. If you cannot locate the Clogher Record anywhere else, Belfast City Library has copies.
Revd Bredin appears to have been the census enumerator (or to have accompanied the census enumerator) for that locality and while going about his work, he recorded details of families and landholding in the Sallaghy area, and he also noted the remaining townlands of Galloon, but with less detail unfortunately.
The published Sallaghy portion is copyright of Clogher Historical Society. Anyone wanting a copy of the census should contact Clogher Historical Society.
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KDDA / RUSTYSCUPP
thankyou. your help is much appreciated. it would be interesting to browse through the clogher record as it could well hold relevant information about my ancestors from that area.thanks also for the sallaghy p/h records information. i will contact the clogher historical society now. regards,
john.