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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #18 on: Monday 25 August 14 03:55 BST (UK) »
Hello Tara,
I would love you to continue helping me I didn't want you to think I was taking advantage of your kindness.
Ireland rere for rear, old French nier Latin retro back behind.
Richard birth cert states he was 21/6/1878 and they lived at Hales or Halls cottages.
Emily birth cert states she was born23/11/1884 and they livedat18 Turners cottages Balls Bridge.
No wonder I am confused  nobody where I thought they were on the dates that was.
We will get through this.
Will post later to day, I am a night owl so off to bed now 4am.
Maureen

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #19 on: Monday 25 August 14 17:33 BST (UK) »
Their ages are way off from the census allright BUT the fact that you have most of their birth certs is great and you know that THEY are the dates to be working with.

Shame that you don't have Jane's birth cert.

IF she was born in 1872, I think it's more probable that she was conceived out of wedlock, but her parents married before she was born.

The dates don't seem to tally with her being a child from the first marriage.

Also, on John's military records she is referred to as his 'sister' and NOT 'step sister' OR half sister.

Enjoy your bijou snooze zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Tara

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 28 August 14 01:50 BST (UK) »
Hello Tara,
I bet you thought I was having along snooze.
Well I have just spent hours going through Ancestry etc.
I think I have got my family sorted.
Someone wrote to my cousin and said he was a Aussie cousin and that Francis 1st wife was Theresa McNamara who died in 1869., and Francis was born 1833, I told him it didn't seem right,
When I was Ancestry I found a Portman/McDermott family tree so had a nosy it was our so called Aussie cousin.
He had Jane Dawson as Francis (1833) 2nd wife, right wife wrong Richard. but it sorted out the children and the ages are now right 1901/1910 census.
Francis (Frank) b 1941 died 1911
Jane Dawson  b 1948   died 1910
Katherine b 10/10/1873  died 26/8/1879 have cert
John ( my grandpa)  b 23/1/1876 have cert
Male b 22/4/77  I think he may have died because he had no name, have print out
Richard b 24/6/1878 died 21/9/1880 have cert
Mary Catherine ( Kate) b 11/12/1879 have print out
Jane E b22/6/1882
Emily b23/11/1884 have cert
Richard b 21/6/1887 named after his brother who died.
Now what do you think of that!!!!!!
Would you be up for my Grandma (Johns wife) the Fennell's
Thank you again for your help wouldn't have got this far without you.
Maureen

 

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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 28 August 14 11:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Maureen

Well,

It's great that the tree is coming together.

It shows how you should never just blindly copy someone elses tree . . .

ALTHOUGH I wouldn't rule out there being a first wife, Mary being a second wife and Jane being a third . . . it's not totally out of the question BUT just put it on the back burner for now.

Shame we can't find the marriage to Mary Clements as it would show whether he was a widower then.

BUT it's very possible that your relation just found a marriage somewhere for a Francis McDermott and presumed that it was YOUR Francis.

So, back to Francis ~ he appears to have 'kept his nose clean' as we say here as I can see nothing for him in the prison records. While no-one wants their relation to have a criminal past, they are SUPER for pinpointing birth places ~ alas no luck there.

His father's name (John), and his father's occupation (labourer) are both too common to get any good leads, so for now I would suggest 'parking' this side of your research.

Jane, however, we SHOULD get some leads there.

A farmer called Richard Dawson in County Laois SHOULD get some leads BUT I can't see anything so far ~ I shall keep trying though.

Are you happy with all the children of Francis & Jane ? Do you know what happened them all, where they went to, did they marry, did they have children etc ? Let me know if you need help there !

Did you correct Jane's County ?

So, YES let me know what help you need with Fennell's, no problem at all !

Tara



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Re: Francis (Frank) Mcdermott 1st marriage
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 28 August 14 12:36 BST (UK) »
Blimey You are going to LOVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE ME !

I found a prison record for Francis McDermott and he was from DELGANY in County Wicklow !

Yippeeeeeeeeeeee we now have a townland !

Don't panic re the prison record, he was just 'drunk' - sure we ALL have those records on our trees and you were arrested for anything and everything back then !

Anyway,

It was 1898 - he says that he was 52 (age slightly out but that's common) ~ 5ft 6 ~ Hair Brown / Grey ~ Eyes Brown ~ Complexion Fresh ~ Lost Front Teeth ~ Varicose Veins on Legs ~ Weighed 150lbs.

He was living on Ballsbridge at the time and was listed as a Coachman.

He got 4 days ~ HUM a bit harsh.

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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 28 August 14 12:42 BST (UK) »
This is the record as best as I can get it !

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 28 August 14 12:45 BST (UK) »
GV For Delgany

No McDermotts on it which I thought might be the case  :(

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/wicklow/delgany.htm

Given that John was a labourer I said it would be trickier but HEY we are getting closer !

Tara

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 28 August 14 13:12 BST (UK) »
Hold onto your socks !

This is SUPER hard to read BUT it looks like an Elizabeth and JOHN MCDermott having a bit of a fight in 1856 in DELGANY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could this be Francis' parents ?

Tara