Williams HUGHES Beddgelert/Llanfrothen

[robdavies66]

Hi everyone,
This is just to advise that I'm now in email contact with Dafydd WILLIAMS, who advises re the Headstone for David Charles WILLIAMS that "Next time I'm at Tan Lan cemetery at Llanfrothen (I'm a monumental mason) I'll have a proper look for you."
Thanks to everyone who has helped in getting me to this point.
Regards, Rob

[EmyrBorth]

Hi
Visited Tanlan cemetary yesterday. Don't know whether or not GFHS have a book of MIs.
Info from gravestones, all in Welsh:
Emrys Anwyl Williams, Anwylfan, Croesor 1912-1997
Enid Williams   12/09/2010  aged 92
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Gerallt, son, different grave,  1939-2011
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David Charles Williams, formerly of Parc, Croesor, 01/01/1921 - 18/07/1990 (will check, Ceiri gives 1991)
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Line in 'Ceiri' showing Annie and Robert as being sister/brother needs to be deleted. Ceiri doesn't follow Annie vch Charles' ancestors, but you have that info from Bryngelynen Census info etc.
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Moving to Emrys/David Charles' parents:
Annie Charles Anwyl Williams, Tan y Bryn, Croesor  29/08/1955  aged 73
Robert Anwyl Williams 17/01/1969  aged 84
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Also at Tanlan, Annie' parents:
Charles Williams, Bryngelynen, Croesor  11/04/1914  aged 77
Margaret     22/01/1921  aged 77.
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Have more info, but need to check something out and find misplaced notes re. Ramoth Cemetary.
Emyr
 

[robdavies66]

Thanks Emyr, that's fitted more pieces to the jigsaw.

As I can't find a matching entry in the E&W Death Index for David Charles Williams 01/01/1921 - 18/07/1990 (or 1991), I wonder if he died abroad thus explaining the comment "formerly of Parc, Croesor" -- although Ceiri's book shows place of death as Llanwrst

While I've found the 1951 Q2, Merioneth North entry in the E&W Marriage Index for David C Williams & Ann G Owen, I can't find any realistic entry for Ann Grace Owen in the E&W Birth Index.

Regards, Rob
(Still waiting for the copy of the marriage certificate for Charles Williams to see what it shows as the maiden surname & name of father of his bride Margaret as everything could come tumbling down if it's not 'my' Margaret Hughes!)

[EmyrBorth]

Hi
DCW was from Croesor, but moved to Llanrwst area. One of his sons still farms in Llanfrothen parish. I'm told DCW died as a result of a car accident in Porthmadog/Pentrefelin area. If he died in hospital I think the death would have been registered in the registration district the hospital was in. I only have Free BMD which only goes up to 1984, and North Wales BMD, up to different dates in different districts, probably does not go as far as 1990. Will contact his son to check my info.

Re. Ceiri [204]:
David Williams, Croesor Uchaf/Catherine Parry, Rhyd - death info agrees with that on gravestone at Ramoth cemetery.
Have census info for Catherine back to 1841.
Also have info re the 'wrong' Robert Anwyl Williams shown as Annie vch Charles' husband, also his brother James and nephew Rowland (Rolant).
Off to Llanberis now to help marshal the Pedol Peris mountain race.
Emyr

[robdavies66]

Hi Emyr, I hope the mountain race went well.
Thanks for the details on the parents of the Robert Anwyl Williams that did marry Ann(i)e Charles Williams but as they are 'only' the parents of the spouse of a blood relative, I don't maintain such records in my Family Tree,
You have to draw a line some where & I draw mine at blood relatives & just their spouses/partners.
Regards, Rob

[robdavies66]

Eureka!!

I've now got a copy of the marriage certificate between Charles WILLIAMS & Margaret WILLIAMS which shows that they married on 21 Nov 1870 at Croesor Chapel, Llanfrothen.

The bride, Margaret WILLIAMS is shown as a Spinster, aged 27, living at Bryngelynen, Llanfrothen where her father is shown as William HUGHES (deceased), Farmer.

So I've now got a complete 'line of sight' as follows:-
* Daniel HUGHES, my 2xg gf, bpt 25 May 1801 Beddgelert son of Edward & Catherine HUGHES
* His brother, William HUGHES, bpt 31 May 1807, Beddgelert, son of Edward & Catherine HUGHES
* William's first marriage to Margaret JONES who he married on 22 Jan 1834 at Llanfihangel y traethau
* William & Margaret's third child, Margaret -- with mother as Margaret HUGHES, formerly JONES -- born on 24 Jun 1843 at Bryngelynen, Llanfrothen (the same day as her mother died)
* William's second marriage to Jane OWEN who he married at Parish Church, Llanfrothen on 26 Nov 1846 where William is shown as a Widower with his father as Edward HUGHES
* Margaret's marriage (as above) to Charles WILLIAMS

My sincere thanks to everyone (& in particular, once again to 'EmyrBorth') who helped me come to a very successful conclusion on this aspect of my HUGHES line.

Regards, Rob

[Rachel Williams]

As an interesting aside (small world thing) my 2x great grandfather, Robert Williams Esq. and younger brother to David Williams  Esq., of Castell Deudraeth fame lived out his final years at Penrhyn Isaf, dying there in 1869

Congratulations on coming to a successful conclusion with your search

Rachel Williams

[robdavies66]

Hi Rachel & thanks for the info,
It's a pity that I can't use your new info as I basically I restrict my Family Tree to my blood relatives,
All I can say, is that's it's just about as much a I can (scarcely) manage & to go any further on links by marriage would 'blow me out of the water'!
Best wishes on your research into your Family Tree
Rob Davies (alias the Welsh Dagger -- & that takes some explaining!)