Where did Charles JOLLY die?

[jennywren001]

Hi,
Brother to my great grandfather Charles Jolly was born 15th August 1888 in Montrose. His parents were Davidina Thom and William Jolly. Charles can be found on the 1901 census with his parents age 12 but is not showing with his parents on the 1911 census. I have found his discharge papers from the merchant navy stamped 22 Dec 1930 - Glasgow. I've never been able to find a marriage or death certificate on SP.
Thanks
Jen

[buckhyne]

I found these three on SP.

1 1964   JOLLY   CHARLES   Not Permissible      M   75  ABERDEEN
2 1965   JOLLY   CHARLES HALL Not Permissible   M78     DUNDEE WEST
3 1938   JOLLY   CHARLES HERBERT    CLOUSTON   M   52 GLENMUICK, TULLICH AND GLENGAIRN/ABERDEEN

[jennywren001]

Hi,
There is no use of middle names on any of the birth certificates for any of the family.  The 1964 one looks promising although I've looked at the marriage certificates of every Charles Jolly who got married in Aberdeen but none are him.  He could of course stayed single and moved to Aberdeen. Think I'll wait for the cert coming on line next year. In the mean time I'll continue the hunt for his brother Aurthur's demise in Canada.
Thanks
Jen

[Forfarian]

He could of course stayed single and moved to Aberdeen.

He might also have lived in the Montrose/St Cyrus/Benholm area, and died in hospital in Aberdeen. Deaths had to be registered in the district where the death occurred, not where the deceased lived.

Also, don't discount candidates with middle names. It is not unheard of for people to acquire in later life a middle name that isn't on their birth certificate or baptism record, or to mislay a middle name that is on the birth or baptism record.

[jennywren001]

Thanks I'll certainly have a look at that certificate when it becomes available on-line.  There are ten children in this family. Yesterday I discovered Robert died out in Canada so that means for seven of them I  now have their birth/marriage/death details. Arthur the youngest I lose track of after his appearance in the Canadian census in 1921 along with his wife and young son Robert age 2. Charles as above and Annie Jolly - who I have marrying in 1906 a Walter Henry Campbell Burgess then nothing. Beginning to wonder if Annie and Henry went out to Canada along with David (he returned to Scotland), Arthur (stayed in Canada till 1921 at least) and Robert (died Toronto 1918).

Hmm middle names - funny my brother has added one in later life - perhaps he thinks it gives him a certain amount of gravitas 
Jen

[doddsie4]

     David Jolly returned to Scotland on the "Doric", arriving Glasgow from Montreal on 17 Aug 1929.      He was going to: 1 Fore Street, Johnshaven, Montrose.       He was 37, a welder who had been resident in USA.       

[doddsie4]

     Davidina Thom Jolly died 1940 at Montrose, aged 90.     GRO 312/00 0085       This can be viewed for 5 credits on Scotlands People.        ....If the family home was still there as late as 1940,
(and it seems from this that it probably was), then it might be possible that anyone returning from abroad might have gone there to live.      Just speculation though.       I wonder which relative registered her death.....?     

[scotmum]

Looks like Annie's husband, Walter Burgess, enlisted in the Australian Imperial Force:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yoe/

Link is to first page of his record, you can then use 'next' button for subsequent pages.

He then seems to be on Australian Electoral Rolls after his service ends.

[jennywren001]

     David Jolly returned to Scotland on the "Doric", arriving Glasgow from Montreal on 17 Aug 1929.      He was going to: 1 Fore Street, Johnshaven, Montrose.       He was 37, a welder who had been resident in USA.       

Thanks but unfortuately, this is not my David he went out with Arthur in May 1913 but returned to Scotland not long after.  He signed his wife's death certificate in Montrose in 1925. David Jolly was a mason as was Robert. David dies the same year as Davidina.

Davidina - I love that name and hope I've inherited some of her longevity genes.  Died in 1940 still living at 35 Ferry Steet Montrose - a pokey wee hole of a place.  Mabel (3rd youngest) signed the certificate. By 1943 five of her sons will be dead leaving only Arthur and Charles unaccounted for. Agnes the oldest daughter dies in 1949 age 78 and Mabel in 1980 age 93...perhaps soon I'll find out where and when their sister Anne died.

So, Walter and Anne(?) in Australia.  Never had to go there before....Arthur in Canada with wife Elizabeth Dakers and son Robert, Anne (or at least Walter for the moment) in Australia and Charles still missing. I think from Scotmum's link there can be no doubt it's the correct Walter (thank you middle name fairy and Scotmum!)...

Can't believe in a couple of days I found Robert's death by a fluke on LDS and now have a lead on Anne.
Thanks
Jen