HARRIS, SHERRATT, East Anglia

[An65]

If What Ive picked up on Alfred (John) and Rebecca is halfway accurate:

Everilda b.cir 1840 Patringham Yks
Jack b.cir 1842 near lincoln m. Glorina Lovell and had Lenni and Minno.
Moses b.cir 1846 Howden Lin (Yks) or Betley Yks married Melvina or Melenia Lee and had: Sarah Ann, Rachel (Photo exists), Athol, Alfred, Sophia, George, Christopher or Christmas, Omega or Megga, and Jonas.
Oki (No Other Info)
Crimea (Nukes) b.cir 1856 Chatteris/Isle of Ely, or Sketty,Glamorgan, Wales, married Delaia or Deliah Lee and had: Rodi, Juli, Beatrice, Sequa, Oscar, James, Thomas, and Chesire.
Eldirifa b.cir 1851 near Huntingdon
Dola b.cir 1848 Peterborough
Anica b.cir 1852 Gloucester
Joanna (Hannah) b.cir 1854 Cambs married James Mochan
Aslog (no other info)
Lois (m) c.1843 Harmston Lincs
Rodi b.cir 1859-65 Monmouth "Flower of May" married Walter Hope.

[deb usa]

 Hi all

Is this the same Roads of May ? ...see below

what a wonderful heritage .... I am from the Penfolds and Orchards.

Hi ...I hope I am not repeating info that others may have;

This is the 1871 census of james Thorpe b 1851, father of Sylvester  who married John Harris.

1871
Crown Inn. St Paul, Cambridge
James Thorpe head 53 traveller b cambs
Eliza wife 53 b finchley, Middlesex
JAMES son 19 traveller b Cambs, Pampisford
Providence dau 17 b Milden Hall, Suffolk
Emanuel son 15 b Suffolk
Roads of May niece 11 b Shropshire ..... what a FABULOUS name 
Ambrose son 6

deb

[An65]

Heres the rest of the family in 1861:

Gipsies Travelling, Balsham, Cam 1861
Charles Grey 1784 Teversham or Fordham, Cam. Gipsy Tinker and Fiddler (s/o Charles & Aquila)
Ann Grey 1795 Brinkley Cam (Mary Ann nee Thorpe)
Lucretia Casbott 1852 daughter Balsham Cam
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Sarah Lee married 60 Gipsy Travelling Bedfordshire
Rachel Hurn Wid. 54 Gipsy Travelling Luton Hunts (nee Lee, widow of Edward "Naibai" with her son by him -)
Samuel Hurn son 21 Tinker and Brazier Windham Nfk
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John Hurn Wid 50 Tinker and Brazier Holbeach, Lin (AKA Alfred)
Everhilda Hurn daughter 20 Net & Peg Mkr Petingham Yk
Jack Hurn 19 son Tinker & Brazier near Lincoln
Moses Hurn son 14 Tinker & Brazier Howden Lin
Dola Hurn dtr 13 Net & Peg Mkr Peterboro Nhts
Eldirifa Hurn dtr 10 Net & peg mkr near Huntingdon
Union Hurn dtr 8 Gloucester
Joana Hurn dtr 6 near Cambridge
Crimea Hurn 4  son Chatteris, Isle of Ely (AKA Nukes)

Is it the same Roads of May? I think it probably is..... It would make sense for her to live with Auntie Eliza after her mothers death, and her father clearly had a large family to cater for already, as is shown above.

[An65]

And where was Roads of May aka Rhoda?

Buckden Hunts 1861
RG9 981 151 27
James Thorpe 45
Elizabeth Thorpe 45
Edmund Thorpe 23
Ambrose Thorpe 20
Edengail Thorpe 16
Oliver Thorpe 14
Eliza Thorpe 13
Joseph Thorpe 12
Holland Thorpe 11
James Thorpe 6
Mace Thorpe 3
Rhoda Herne 2 Niece

[Cuxwold]

Concerning Rhoda Herne amd Roads of May " Thorpe "
In the 1861 census Rhoda Herne is recorded as the niece of James Thorpe/ Elizabeth Thorpe nee Buttress.
In the 1871 census again Roads of May is recorded as the niece of James and Elizabeth.
Who are the parents of Rhoda / Roads of May, for if the census record is to be believed , than the mother has to be the sister of James, or possibly the sister of Elizabeth, but

[Cuxwold]

Concerning Rhoda Herne and Roads of May " Thorpe "
In the 1861 census Rhoda Herne is recorded as the niece of James Thorpe/ Elizabeth Thorpe nee Buttress.
In the 1871 census again Roads of May is recorded as the niece of James and Elizabeth.
Who are the parents of Rhoda / Roads of May, for if the census record is to be believed , than the mother has to be the sister of James, or possibly the sister of Elizabeth, but I assume the term niece is to the head of the family .
I have no record of any siblings of James Thorpe bn c 1818, I do have James bn 1818 to John Thorpe and Silvester Gray.

Cuxwold

[Lesley1]

Dear All

I have found Israel Thorpe married to Caroline Gray a Hawker/Wireworker.
Any connection to your Thorpe's?


Descendants of Israel Thorpe Gray


Generation No. 1

1.  ISRAEL THORPE1 GRAY was born 1852 in Cottenham, Cambridge.  He married CAROLINE GRAY Abt. Sep 1872 in Kings Lynn 4b 571, daughter of SAMPSON GRAY and CAROLINE ?.  She was born 1852 in Lynn.

Notes for ISRAEL THORPE GRAY:
Births Mar 1874 
Thorpe  Mesech    Cambridge  3b 533   

Births Sep 1877   
Thorpe  Caroline     Cambridge  3b 498   

Births Dec 1878   
 Thorpe  Sarah     Cambridge  3b 521   

Births Mar 1881   
THORPE  Wilhelmina     Cambridge  3b 513   


More About ISRAEL THORPE GRAY:
Occupation: 1881, Wireworker

Marriage Notes for ISRAEL GRAY and CAROLINE GRAY:
Marriages Sep 1872
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Gray  Caroline     King's L.  4b 571   
Gray  Israel Thorpe     King's L.  4b 571   

More About ISRAEL GRAY and CAROLINE GRAY:
Marriage: Abt. Sep 1872, Kings Lynn 4b 571
   
Children of ISRAEL GRAY and CAROLINE GRAY are:
   i.   MESECH GRAY2 THORPE, b. Abt. Mar 1874, Cambridge.
   ii.   CAROLINE GRAY THORPE, b. Abt. Sep 1877, Cambridge.
   iii.   SARAH GRAY THORPE, b. Abt. Dec 1879, Cambridge.
   iv.   WILHEMINA GRAY THORPE, b. Abt. Mar 1881, Cambridge.
   v.   ROBERT ISRAEL THORPE, b. Abt. Sep 1882, Cambridge; d. Abt. Jun 1918, Cambridge.


Regards
Lesley

[LoubieLou]

Hello Cindy

I was born into a travelling fair family and my aunt married Ronnie Harris.  If you look at www.fairground-heritage.org.uk/forum the fairground families link has loads of information that you may find helpful, there is even a family tree where the Harris family link to the Freeman-Biddall family.  This is the website that the information from `thegalloper' site was re-located to when that site collapsed.  The site is run by the Fairground Heritage Trust and there is a lot of circus and other entertainer info there.

I hope this helps.

LoubieLou

[An65]

Concerning Rhoda Herne amd Roads of May " Thorpe "

Who are the parents of Rhoda / Roads of May, for if the census record is to be believed , than the mother has to be the sister of James, or possibly the sister of Elizabeth,

Rhoda/Roads of May was daughter of Alfred Hearn (aka John in the 61 Census) and his wife Rebecca "Becky" Buttress - sister of Elizabeth.