Peter Gordon of Kirkpatrick Fleming, 1801

[DJH]

Hello,
My Gt Gt Grandfather, Peter Gordon, was born at Kirkpatrick Fleming about 1801. I can find him in the 1851 Census when he was still living there, at Grahamshill Cottages. He was an agricultural labourer. I am trying to find his parents but I am unable to find a birth certificate or Baptismal record. He married Elizabeth Minto of Hoddam.
Is there anyone who could look at the local parish records for me please?
Thank you,
Pauline.

[Gadget]

Hi Pauline

There's no record of a baptism on Scotlands People which have all the available parish records. I've looked for a death post-1854 (which would give his parents)  but so far nothing. Is 1851 the last census that you have him on?

Regards

Gadget

[morskaj]

I have the same problem.  Peter Gordon is my husband's GGGgrandfather.  I too have the 1851 census where he is 50 years old, so born 1800/1 in Kirkpatrick Fleming, on his son's marriage certificate in 1859 he is deceased, his wife is Elizabeth Minto 40, born Hoddam.  I have been on Scotland's people and can find nothing at all.  I wondered if he had another christian name but used Peter (?).  I am going to try to get to Dumfries records office at some time to see if I can find anything, but it could be that he wasn't born in Kirkpatrick Fleming but this is the first place he remembers living.

[Gadget]

Welcome to Rootschat Morskaj 


The following Gordons were having children in Kirkpatrick Fleming 1791-1810:

James Gordon and Margaret Irving
Francis Gordon and Jean Park Richardson
Francis Gordon and Helen Holliday
William Gordon and Mary Crone
Charles Gordon and Catherine Thomson

Do any of these names crop up in his children?


Gadget

[DJH]

Hello, Gadget, and thank you for your very helpful information. 
I'm inclined to go for James Gordon and Margaret Irving as Peter's parents since he called his second son James and used none of the other names for his sons.  Is this a sensible decision?!!
Peter was first of all a ploughman if that has any connection with the James mentioned.
And, yes, Peter died between 1851 and 1861
Again, many thanks. Pauline

[DJH]

Hello Morskaj
I'm convinced Peter is from Kirkpatrick Fleming. Which of his sons is your husband descended from- Thomas, James or Robert?  I'm from Robert, the youngest. 
James is the only name in the list of possible parents posted by Gadget that has a connection so I'm thinking our answer lies with this couple, especially as the only sister of the above brothers is called Margaret.
What do you think?
Pauline   

[DJH]

Dear Gadget
I've just realized that the only sister of Robert was called Margaret so this convinces me even more that James Gordon and Margaret Irving are the parents.  Please, have you anything more about them?
Pauline

[Reiver]

From the 1841 Census for Kirkpatrick Fleming - per Ann Hill Bequest transcription -

At Kirkhill -( within KFL)

Peter Gordon age 40 Ag.  Lab, Day
Elizabeth -do-  age 30
Bella -do-  age 10
Marjory -do-  age 8
Mary -do-  age 7
William -do-   age 5
Thomas  -do-  age 3
James Bell  -do-   age 1

All were born in Dumfriesshire.

Does this add anything?

Reiver

[Reiver]

One further source that may be worth following up.  It would appear that Peter died before 1855.  The transcription of the KFL memorials was done in the 1960s and copies are available in several libraries - Ewart, Dumfries;  Annan? and Lockerbie?.

It is well indexed in some detail.  The index includes the age and often a relationship to others on the memorial.  Whether it would be possible to do a quick look up if anyone is passing near Lockerbie or Annan, I don't know    Unfortunately I do not collect Gordons   

Because Peter died before 1855 it is more likely that he would be included in the KFL transcriptions than not.  Other provisos of course 

Regards
Reiver